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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Imagine that. Get a reputation for cars that are precisely engineered to have expensive parts fail shortly after warranty expiration, and cement that with a brand-wide emissions cheating scandal, and then wonder why no one trusts you.

Boomers only bought your air-cooled offerings because they were cheap. You got no brand goodwill out of the deal.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

brand-wide emissions cheating scandal

To be fair, didn't it eventually come out that pretty much everyone was cheating? VW just got caught first.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago

At least in North America I think they were the only brand selling passenger vehicles diesel engines.

[–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, didn’t it eventually come out that pretty much everyone was cheating? VW just got caught first.

Which other manufacturers were cheating?

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 9 months ago

Basically all of them.

But this is what happen when you have rules set by people that think they can ignore physical laws and somehow make it work.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, their reputation for having expensive parts fail right after the odometer ticked past the number on the warranty was earned long before dieselgate.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Dieselgate really worked out for me. The car hadn't started to break down yet and we were just starting to need a minivan when it all came out.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That was their identity that made them a high volume seller. It was simple and it was clear what their market position was. The line extensions into higher end never worked and required a new brand for these higher level offerings in the end. They never learned from this lesson. Brand identity can win the day but also lose it all for you when you try to shift from a popular product.

A part of the issue is younger generations don't necessarily know what goes on behind the scenes of their phones or laptops. They are shiny disposable products and this extends to their cars. If the product looks like the similar tech they interface with daily on their phones, it's good for them. They won't have the experience of simpler complex cars that broke down constantly from one thing or another or functions that just don't work period because they cost way to much to fix.

As much as I think vehicles should be made less complex and easier to service it might not be marketable beyond farmers or trades that do their own work on these things. Shiny and the latest tech is sexy and where sales are driven from.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

A part of the issue is younger generations don’t necessarily know what goes on behind the scenes of their phones or laptops.

Damned millennials. Forcing VW to lower quality and cheat emissions like that.

Shiny and the latest tech is sexy and where sales are driven from.

How's that working out for ol' veedub?

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Dacia sales keep increasing every year. This does show there is an increasing demand for simple cars.

[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Or just cheap ones. VW and every other maistream cars are getting unaffordable.

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t just a rebrand cars?

Their duster model is a copy of Renault Duster. They didn’t even bother to change the name.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I had never heard of Renault Duster before (nor seen one), so I looked it up. The Renault Duster is apparently a Dacia Duster with mostly cosmetic changes, for sale outside the eu, typically released later than the Dacia Duster is released in the eu. So it's the same car, but different brand badges + cosmetics depending on the country were it's sold. They are so similar, that I'd just call it the same car, not a copy.

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Interesting, I thought it’s the other way around.