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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Less than 120 000km with the most polluting source of electricity, less than 20 000km with the least polluting.

You don't expect cars to last that long?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

From that article;

Now, he estimates the break-even point could be between 67,000 km and 151,000 km. Ernst told Reuters he did not plan to change those findings, which were based on a different set of data and assumptions than in Argonne's model.

I have a 2017 car with ~30,000KM on it and I bought it brand new with 10KM on it. It would take me 12-30 years to break even given my driving habits alone and the numbers above. The EV version of my car was ~30% more expensive so it was literally going to cost me a lot more to pollute less while driving more but polluting more at the factory level.

20,000KM was for Norway which literally no other country can achieve because very few countries have so much geothermal energy. In Canada, a lot of our power of Natural Gas, Nuclear or Coal and a decent amount of wind/solar but in my province, zero Nuclear as it's all Gas/Coal/Wind/Solar.

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fyi, the average Canadian puts 15k km on their car a year.

You're an outlier and should not be using yourself as a model for the average Canadian.

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

πŸ˜‚ of course. But it means you're talking shit and you're argument is baseless. But of course you're allowed to try to pass off made up realities as fact.

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

That's just your opinion.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

it takes A LOT of driving to make up the difference

I was just correcting this part.

Ontario and Quebec have clean energy, that's more than 50% of Canada's population right there having access to clean energy to compensate in less than 20k km and even in the other provinces it's not as bad as the worst examples in the article. You just made an uninformed assumption, it's ok, it happens.