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[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes; smoking weed. Jaywalking. Drinking during prohibition.

A crime is what the law says will be punished, but the law isn't moral.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That has nothing to do with public perception which has everything to do with stigmatization.

The fact that you listed things that have historically been highly stigmatised because of the law is bizarre.

(Except jaywalking, not sure where that one is coming from)

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should look into the history of jaywalking. It's interesting.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sounds like as good a wikipedia rabbit hole as any

[–] QHC@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jay walking was originally a derogatory term for rural people in the 'big city' and supposedly not knowing how to navigate paved streets.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I guess I'm picturing people walking head on into traffic whereas it can also include simply crossing an empty street.

Where I live the latter is fine but the former is illegal.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's the exact opposite way around. Early car users were plowing their way through crowded streets, which were designed for and primarily used by human beings. The streets also had their fair shares of carts, horses, trolleys, etc., but they were primarily for people walking around.

The fledgling auto industry was under SERIOUS fire for the HUGE number of people getting killed by reckless, inattentive, unsafe drivers. Serious risk of cars being fully banned from many cities. So they ran a giant PR campaign to flip the blame. The issue wasn't reckless drivers carelessly charging around crowded streets and killing people -- it was actually the peoples' fault for being in the streets (that had ALWAYS been theirs to be in previously and which were built for them by them).

Worked great. Streets rapidly became places people were not allowed to use -- only cars were permitted, and nearly rent-free. A total hostile takeover.

[–] QHC@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All of those are/were stigmatized specifically because of legal status.

What are you even taking about, my man.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The law usually reflects what people think is moral. Not all people of course, but a critical mass. Smoking weed is still widely considered immoral. Drinking was considered immoral by a lot of people when Prohibition started, and it still is by a smaller but still substantial number of people.

Jaywalking is more complicated, because there was a deliberate campaign to stigmatize it. I can't recall if it was made a crime to promote the stigma or in response to it, but a sigma was definitely involved.

[–] LittleTransPunk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But why was weed initially considered immoral? What did the aide to the president say about the "war on drugs"?

Couldn't possibly be ulterior motives, like the racism our country was founded upon. That couldn't be right, right?