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[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There are only two parties that have a mathematical chance of winning. You can throw your vote away on a third party, hoping to get them 20x their highest ever turn-out in the hopes that they get more money if you want. But know that what you are actually doing is indistinguishable from simply not voting. Work on getting ranked-choice voting in your state first, then vote your conscience. Voting third party now just guarantees another 4+ years of Trump.

[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Gaslighting people into thinking there are only 2 viable options is the reason why we're in this mess. Just saying.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Are you saying any third party has a mathematical chance of winning? It's not gaslighting when it's the truth.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's literally a mathematical certainty. Every single Democrat would have to vote against Joe Biden for a third party, or else the vote would be split, and we'd guarantee a Trump win.

[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, I'm sure there's plenty of people on the right that don't like either candidate, and would probably vote for 3rd party if people would stop this nonsense that there are only 2 parties.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any third-party run that pulls from both parties is gonna end up being an "enlightened centrist" group like No Labels and we'll get more of the exact same.

[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago

The majority of people do not hold extreme left or extreme right views. While the majority of democratic and republican candidatesaree trying to match up to the extremes of their parties, and you get the same results and nothing done. Why not have common sense take a shot at running things?

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Get fucked and run a better candidate, Dems. When they don't they will be the only group responsible for the election of trump.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it'll also be the fault of idiots like you who think you get the privilege of voting for someone you really like instead of just getting to pick the least bad option. You have the chance to vote to keep trans people safe for another 4 years, to keep abortion legal on the federal level for the next four years, etc. You choosing not to do that in the desperate bid to feel like your hands are clean will directly result in harm to those around you. Your hands will be dirty either way.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the "privilege of voting for someone you like" called "your right to vote"?
You think my right to vote is a privilege?
But sure, according to this meme voting democrat is the only way to protect voting rights which don't exist and are a privilege
I won't be moralistically scolded into voting for the moderate wing of fascism.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right, you'll instead be convinced to feel morally superior while supporting (by not voting against) the non-moderate wing of fascism. Won't you just feel so clean and superior while Trump harms the people you want to protect?

It's privileged to think that you have an inherent right to vote for someone who aligns with all your values. You vote for the person who has the best chance of winning who aligns most closely with your values. You vote for the person who has the best chance of stopping the fascist from winning.You have to be strategic with your vote as long as our system is FPTP. Or you can tacitly support the fascists while claiming to be morally superior by not voting.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

"It’s privileged to think that you have an inherent right to vote"

There it is again

"You vote for the person who has the best chance of stopping the fascist from winning."

But you are a fascist. You don't support my right to vote. You support Joe Biden, who is continuing to build the wall, has not stopped putting kids in cages in concentration camps, is funding a genocide in Gaza, sat idly by while abortion rights got overturned instead of codifying Roe, and on and on and on. Every metric libs used to call Trump a fascist applies to Joe Biden. It's so boring.

"while supporting (by not voting against)"

Hang on, if I don't vote Trump that means I'm not voting against Biden. By your logic that means I am effectively supporting Joe Biden. So we're good then, I did what you want. Lmao, it never gets old how moronic democrats are. Endless free entertainment.