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[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 170 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Slightly OT, but this is also why we absolutely need ranked voting ASAP. How much better would a candidate like Sanders do if people knew that voting for him as first choice and Biden as second was possible?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Well he lost the primaries, which is when you vote for the candidate you really want. But he lost the primaries because the DNC aired a never ending stream of bullshit telling the people it was impossible for Sanders to win, and then pointing to the current super delegate polls as evidence. Idk why people are terrified of voting for a losing candidate in the primaries though. Who gives a fuck if your vote loses in the primaries? You should vote for the candidate you want, not the one you think is going to win. It's not a casino bet.

[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The closed primary system is just so fucked in general, these are private organizations that can do whatever they want, the DNC and the RNC.

I still don't like Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She was literally marched out of the DNC office because of the bias she showed towards Hillary Clinton in leaked emails. Then she gets hired by the Clinton campaign!

Shit was so crazy.

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Now no offence to the US political system but the primaries are a symptom of a two party system.

Without them and with ranked choice voting, y'all would have had Sanders (edit: in 2016) and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Much love. I mean it.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

No offense taken. Even our first president and founding father, George Washington advised against a bicameral system.

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[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The left-ish party did the exact same thing to Teddy Roosevelt in 1916. They chose to fall on their sword and get a slavery denier in office rather than let the somewhat progressive (for the time) Roosevelt be their candidate (at the time, Roosevelt was allowed to run for a 3rd term). Liberals do not care about making things better, they care about protecting the status quo. Roosevelt would have won if not for liberal interference via their backing of Taft, just like Bernie would have.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I remember learning from my college history professor that when Upton Sinclair ran for governor of California, the Democrats teamed up with the Republicans to ensure he did not win. They would rather lose than let a socialist run the state. Even with their meddling he very nearly won the election with 37% of the votes. That is a lesson the American people should really take to heart. The established parties have more in common with each other than they do with their constituency.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 80 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Situation sucks. But, with Cheeto chimp it'll suck 1000X more.

Don't be complacent. Don't be apathetic.

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[–] Lilith_the_serpent@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (9 children)

This is posted in political humor, but unfortunately, it's not a joke.

[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nor do I find it humorous.

But one day I hope I can laugh about it.

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[–] rekabis@programming.dev 44 points 11 months ago (22 children)

As a Canadian looking from the outside in, it really does seem to be trending in that direction… any further Republican wins will mean the end of democracy, with America sliding into a ChristoFascist Autocracy.

I fear for my American neighbours, but we have similar problems up here; we just happen to be a decade or so behind you folk.

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 11 months ago (28 children)

This was the same promise in 2020. And yet here we are. Democrats should have done better than beg to save democracy one more time.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Nina Turner said it years ago.. our "choices" were a full bowl of sh!t or a half bowl of sh!t... https://youtu.be/X1ObX0iDRjo

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[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Weird, I was sold almost the exact same line in 2020.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 23 points 11 months ago (12 children)

It’s almost like the same totalitarian is running on the GOP ticket.

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[–] vaseltarp@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (27 children)

I look at this fom a far and i wonder: Why do the democrats not just get a younger more capable person to vote for?

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Because they're part of the system run by the wealthy and powerful, and younger peeps not only have to claw their way into that microcosm, but are often then bought out / corrupted by that very system.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago

Because they're internally struggling against them.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Democrats are a party of capital, which resist the young for two reasons:

  1. They do not hold capital in any capacity that can be compared to older generations

  2. As a result, they are overwhelmingly more anti-capital than previous generations.

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[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (22 children)

Joe Biden has the authority to resign. Joe Biden can choose to not run in 2024. If he cared about preserving democracy, he would let someone more electible take his place.

If things go wrong, it's the fault of the people in power.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Joe Biden has already beat Donald Trump in an election. More electable makes no sense in this context.

The only way Biden could lose is if some of the people who voted for him last time, after everything that's happened since Trump lost the election, decide 'ehh, that Trump guy wasn't so bad, let's give him another shot' and decide not to vote against Trump.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The incumbent president has only lost 10 times in US history (and one of those was Trump). Biden already beat Trump once. Who has a better resume than that?

Seriously. Tell us a name.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As we all know, politics only happens when you vote for president every 4 years.

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[–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This is the same tired line we have to hear every 4 years. It's been a substitute for concrete policy and it's gotten all of us nowhere.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago (28 children)

We literally do not live in a democracy according to a bunch of empirical studies, and also according to basic material analysis.

The opinion of the masses is never reflected in our government.

Does your politics begin and end at participating in sham elections? Why aren't you encouraging people to take meaningful political action?

Imagine being Russian and the extent of your political activism is encouraging people to vote Putin out.

That's how ridiculous you are.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

It's sad how the US spends trillions on defense, when all it takes to seize control over the nation is some bottom tier Dollar Store propaganda that any third world nation could afford.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fuck em both I’m voting for Brandon.

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[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Maybe the democrats should pull their heads up from their asses and realize that "vote for us or else" doesn't have the rallying power they think it does, especially when they're repeating it every election cycle.

Just some thoughts from someone outside the US.

[–] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Most lib shit ever. "Every election is the most important one". When are people going to realize you are always voting for rich fuckers who don't care about you

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

More like "It doesn't matter how you vote, the evil party is going to win because the slightly-less-evil party just lost a large chunk of their voter base because funding a ethnic genocide in the middle east was a hill they were dying on"

Do your part by voting for the slightly less shit party, but don't be surprised when it happens anyway, they're counting on it. They want it. Whenever they need to do something evil they can just throw the election so the republicans can take the hit for them, just like every time.

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