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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I have never heard of a job that required no training in order to do it. That's learning a skill. And if you've already trained yourself in how to do it, you've still learned a skill. I can't think of a job that you can do without any training whatsoever.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like you're taking issue with the terminology and not the concept.

Unskilled labor being the kind you learn on the job and any normal human can be trained to do, vetsus skilled labor that requires university/apprenticeship/trade school. It's hours or days of training compared to years of specialized training.

I don't like this particular turn of phrase either, but here we are.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's what the investor class thinks. They are wrong.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I doubt it. I can flip any burger you got, you come design my machine learning algorithms.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you think you can just walk into any fast food restaurant and start working without anyone showing you what to do, you're naïve. No, of course it doesn't take as much training as working on computers. No one said it did. That doesn't mean it isn't a skill to be trained to use one of those machines.

You and the investor class may think that the only people who are skilled in the labor world went through four years of college, but that is not what a skill is.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's also not what "skilled labor" means as a term of art, hence my first comment.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Yes, I know, and I am saying that term is wrong and should not be used. All kinds of 'terms of art' have been abandoned because they're bad terms.

[–] binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You and I have definitely worked for totally different companies then.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Where have you worked where a job requires absolutely no training whatsoever?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

The difference is if you require a degree or license or some other certification of non-career training prior to being considered for the job.