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Yeah, so Israel's done some really fucked up shit, clearly, but when I see polls like this that indicate significant Palestinian support for Hamas, my sympathy for them dips substantially. If you're going to back a terrorist group, I don't much care if you get bombed along with them.
You should care if civilian get bombed not out of sympathy for them but because it's the right thing to do. Everything is fucked over there and will make you uncomfortable.
Of course they're going to support Hamas. The terrorist cell are the only ones even remotely in the corner of the Palestinians who were first being Apartheid-level oppressed by the Israeli government, and now are getting absolutely smoked by the IDF.
'Desperate' does not even begin to describe the situation of Palestinian civilians. If you were in the same position, and the only people fighting for you is a terrorist cell, I doubt you'd be that moralistic either.
hamas doesn't fight for gaza civilians.
they steal humanitarian aid from them, use them as human shields, and caused this catastrophe upon them.
And the Israeli government has been doing far, far worse.
Stealing humanitarian aid? The IDF have been straight up bombing refugee camps that they themselves told Palestinians to go to. Not to mention, the Israeli government is directly the reason why humanitarian aid needed to be sent there in the first place, having cut off essential supplies to Gaza.
Using them as human shields? The IDF is performing straight up genocides.
Hostages? The IDF have been doing the same for decades. They literally process Palestinians via a seperate IDF-run court for any and all 'offences'. The conditions they are held in are little better than that of the hostages held by Hamas, but they hold far greater numbers.
Caused this catastrophe upon them? I don't know what part of Hamas's actions you think somehow warrant straight up genocide of Palestinian civilians, but you're wrong.
Hamas are a bunch of shit heads, but they're also the only people that can and will push back against the IDF for its abuses of the Palestinian people.
Again, given the insane amount of deplorable shit the Israeli government puts the Palestinians through, it isn't surprising that they will support shitheads like Hamas. It's basically a choice between the Apartheid level oppressors or a shit head terrorist cell fighting against the Apartheid level oppressors.
propoganda, fake news, half truths, and bias.
also hamas are not a "bunch of shit heads". they were voted democratically to end Israel existance.
Lol great bait mate. Try trolling harder.
They were voted in democratically, because the other option was Fatah. Netanyahu was voted in democratically multiple times, because some people cannot stand the thought of not killing more Palestinians and not stealing more of their land.
so option 1 was "death to israel" and option 2 was "death to israel" thanks for proving my point I guess
If your family were to be bombed we would see if your tune changed. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Israel is working hard to make as many enemies as possible.
You're right that he would feel different if his family was bombed by the IDF.
But then you have to consider how he would feel if his family were kidnapped, raped and murdered by Hamas.
This is a textbook cycle of violence.
Hamas is the only group that fights for the Palestinians. Supporting America or the PLO only gets them killed. They don't give a shit about your support since you're killing them.
Thinking you're going to make someone turn against a group by killing their wife and kids and then saying "See, THEY are the bad guys!" is some next level stupid"
I would guess the Palestinians see Hamas like the US looks back on the revolutionary founding fathers, people who fought back against an oppressive government in the pursuit of independence. Both situations are far more complex than that, but for the average person who sees regular violence against their group they will support the people who fight back.
Hamas is not fighting for Palestinian independence, it is fighting for the destruction of Israel. The two situations are not even remotely similar.
It's the same thing what are you talking about
No, they’re not, what are you talking about?
Such substance in these comments.
They are fighting for an end to the occupation. These their are literal words.
The occupation is israel. An illegal colony on top of Palestine.
If the israelis want to live in Palestine many Palestinians are actually in favor (though with the recent conflict that has probably declined).
Fuck, man, the solution to mutual hate isn't "Keep shooting until there isn't anyone left."
What if there is no solution to mutual hate, which is why this conflict has been going on for decades?
Edit: to be clear I'm not advocating for genocide here, I'm saying that there probably is no simple solution to peace in the middle east.
"What if we HAVE to do genocide, guys, there's no other option"
There are longer and fiercer conflicts than this that have been resolved without genocide. You don't get an excuse to get your genocide boner up.
I can see how you thought that's what I was saying, but it's not what I meant.
Ah, my apologies then.
No worries, it was on me. Having reread what I wrote I can see how it sounded like that's what I was saying.