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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 66 points 9 months ago (13 children)

"Near limitless energy". ..

OK what are the limits? Preferably absurd answers please..

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 109 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They boiled 10 kettles of water with this energy.

Ultimately, if everything is optimized, its probably only limited by the number of kettles available.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Could we somehow capture the steam from all the kettles to turn a turbine? I see zero problems with this plan.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Coal or nuclear, it's all steam baby

[–] ThePancake@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I know this is probably tongue in cheek, but I genuinely thought the same until recently. There's a company called Helion which is developing a really cool fusion process that doesn't use steam as an energy transfer mechanism. Obviously it has its own set of drawbacks and roadblocks, but still really cool tech in the making.

Here's the video I saw going into detail on it if anyone's interested:

https://youtu.be/_bDXXWQxK38?si=iBpHfDxhRgHHRtN2

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hope this actually pans out, but I am suspicious that it won’t. Mostly just because of they way they have this air of tech bro hype around them; hopefully I just learned about it through poor sources because it would be freakin cool if it worked

[–] ThePancake@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yep, this was pretty much my exact reaction as well. I haven't really dug into it since, but it was an interesting twist on fusion that would be sweet if it made some progress!

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I've seen that one.

Honestly I don't have high hopes, they believe their next model will solve the shortcomings they face with it's size, but that could reveal a whole other set of issues.

[–] ThePancake@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Same, expectations are definitely in check, but cool none the less! I feel like there are a lot of hiccups here that would need to be smoothed out before this would become anything remotely feasible.

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[–] doofy77@aussie.zone 11 points 9 months ago

The UK will become an energy powerhouse.

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[–] willis936@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

There is 1.4E21 kg of water on Earth. 0.03% of hydrogen is deuterium, a suitable fusion fuel. H2O has an atomic mass of 18 and O has an atomic mass of 16, so Earth has 4.7E16 kg of deuterium readily centrifuged out of ocean water.

D-D fusion converts about 0.1% of mass to energy (4 MeV / c^2 / 4 Daltons). E=mc^2. So we have 4.2E30 (420E28) Joules of fusion fuel ready for us on Earth. We used 2400 TWh of energy last year. If we used this amount indefinitely then we would have 485 billion years of fuel.

Bonus: deuterium depletion would have virtually no environmental effect.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 2 points 9 months ago

This is the answer we all needed.

[–] Big_Boss_77@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

The flamingo population must remain constant for ignition to function.

[–] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's nearly limitless because they used nearly 200 lasers. If they built a new one with the full 200 lasers, who knows what could happen.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 9 months ago

Like, they used 198 lasers, or they used 98% of each of the 200 lasers?

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

You know how the sun radiates an incredible amount of power through millions and millions of tonnes of material undergoing nuclear fusion every minute, and the sun is expected to last for millions of years?

Well, not that much. But it's still a lot!

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

You would have enough power to play a game of Civ II to completion.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 5 points 9 months ago

One limit less.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

It's near limitless in the sense that the fuel for it will not run out. ... But to be honest, the 'unlimited energy' thing is mostly marketing hype. If we were worried about fuel running out, then solar would be the obvious go-to. That's even less likely to run out than fusion power, and it has the advantage that we can already build it. And fusion, like solar and everything else, still requires land and resources to build the power plants. There are hopes that fusion power plants might be be more space efficient or something, but that obviously isn't the case currently. Currently the situation is that people have been working on this for generations and the big breakthrough is that we can now momentarily break-even with power on a small scale with state of the art equipment. So I think it's a bit too soon to claim it will have any advantages over solar. Right now it is not viable at all, and any future advantages are just speculation.

That said, fusion power is technology worth pursuing. It's not complete garbage green-washing (unlike "carbon capture and storage", which really is complete garbage), but the idea that fusion it's some holy-grail of unlimited power is ... well ... basically just good marketing to keep the research funds flowing.

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[–] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

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[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

You have to sign up for a two year initial contract. After that there's tons of limits.