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So if they actually implemented E2E encryption like they said (last time they were called out on lying about it), how exactly would they even collect this information?
You'd need to MITM the calls for it to even be possible, which raises other issues...
Technically they can collect whatever they need, before encrypting to send from E to the other E, and send, with or without encryption, to their servers. The "E"s are the devices on each end, not necessarily the users mouths and ears.
You can send your typed credit card to that site using SSL encryption, but the number can be captured by a keylogger or a screen capture before being encrypted.
So it’s basically “some stuff is E2EE, other stuff is not” which, absent knowing which is which, boils down to no E2E at all.
Basically this. I don't assume that just because it's E2EE (or says it's E2EE) it's privacy safe.
Unless maybe if it's my own system on both sides, running Linux, connected through some FOSS VPN I've set up myself, chatting through nc tunneled through ssh with a 100% silent wired keyboard, no monitor, no network, and everything powered off. Inside an underground lead bunker.
That doesn't mean I don't use Teams, Whatsapp, Gmail, etc. I just don't assume it's private.