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I like those by they are still more expensive than EV and don't go to all the places.
ICE ticket: 40 eur
EV car: 40,000 eur + 4000 eur in electricity + 4000 eur in repairs + 4000 eur in insurance + 4000 eur in road taxes
EV bicycle: 4000 eur, can ride on the ICE train with it
What are you talking about? The trains are electric.
ICE = InterCity Express, Deutsche Bahn's high-speed rail brand
Yeah, I don't know how train in Germany are branded.
Two Avant tickets to Granda: 60 Euro.
Gasoline to drive two people and a EV bicycle to Granada: 30 Euro.
No one buys a car and pays 4000 in insurance and taxes to make a single trip.
It depends on if you already have a car or not. Using a car for your daily commute has other personal and societal impacts that I'm not going to get into here.
Watch these videos by Not Just Bikes for some information why car commuting is a bad idea: https://youtu.be/F4kmDxcfR48 https://youtu.be/kYHTzqHIngk
Let's assume that you don't already own a car for car commuting, and you only use said car for road trips; It's pretty likely that you would spend at least 4000 euros amortized on repairs, insurance, and taxes for a single road trip. The train is a lot cheaper.
Jesus, who buys a car just for road trips? Yes, the thing no one does is stupid. Can we go back to reality now?
Well that was my point. Driving only seems cheaper because you spend so much money commuting with a car already. People who live in cities that aren't car-dependent save money by only spending 40 euros on high speed trains when they want to travel long-distance.
Yes, car is a luxury. It let's you go anywhere they want when they want. People could do just fine without cars if only they limited themselves to daily commutes instead of going hiking, shopping or to that nice restaurant just out of town. It would also be cheaper not to do any of that. But people like comfort of driving so they buy cars and once they have a car they use it to go places. And once they have a car it's cheaper than train. We agree.
There's tons of ways to get around without the economic, psychological, and societal downsides of owning a private car.
https://youtu.be/OObwqreAJ48
I'm rich enough to own a car, but I don't. I prefer the train, my cargo bike, and car share services.
Yes, I know people will not die without a car. It's just more convenient. Is this really so hard to understand? I could spend hours hitchhiking and literally hiking every time I'm going climbing in the middle of nowhere (which is every week) but it's more convenient to drive. I wouldn't die if I stopped climbing but I like it. So yeah, I own a car.
Damn I wish our trains were like that.
On multiple occasions I've seen it be cheaper to fly to France or the Netherlands then back to the UK, rather than get the train between two cities.
Fuck the Beeching Cuts and all the negative consequences that came of it.
Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
The Beeching cuts were a major series of route closures and service changes made as part of the restructuring of the nationalised railway system in Great Britain in the 1960s. They are named for Richard Beeching, then-chair of the British Railways Board and the author of two reports – The Reshaping of British Railways (1963) and The Development of the Major Railway Trunk Routes (1965) – that outlined the necessity of improving the efficiency of the railways and the plan for achieving this through restructuring. The first report identified 2,363 stations and 5,000 miles (8,000 km) of railway line for closure, amounting to 55% of stations, 30% of route miles, and the loss of 67,700 British Rail jobs, with an objective of stemming the large losses being incurred during a period of increasing competition from road transport and reducing the rail subsidies necessary to keep the network running. The second report identified a small number of major routes for significant investment. Such was the scale of these cuts that the programme came to be colloquially referred to as the Beeching Axe, though the 1963 report also recommended some less well-publicised changes; including a switch to the now-standard practice of containerisation for rail freight, and the replacement of some services with integrated bus services linked to the remaining railheads. Protests resulted in the saving of some stations and lines, but the majority were closed as planned. Beeching's name remains associated with the mass closure of railways and the loss of many local services in the period that followed. A few of these routes have since reopened. Some short sections have been preserved as heritage railways, while others have been incorporated into the National Cycle Network or used for road schemes. Others have since been built over, have reverted to farmland, or remain derelict with no plans for any reuse or redevelopment. Some, such as the bulk of the Midland Metro network around Birmingham and Wolverhampton, have since been incorporated into light rail lines.
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