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Nearly half of new passenger cars in EU electrified -ACEA (uk.finance.yahoo.com)

submitted 10 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Nearly half of new passenger cars in EU electrified -ACEA::Sales of electric cars in the European Union were almost half of all new passenger car registrations in the EU between January and November 2023 and already crossed the halfway mark in the month of November alone, data showed on Wednesday. Electrified vehicles - either fully electric models, plug-in hybrids or full hybrids - accounted for over 47.6% of all new passenger car registrations in the EU as of November, up from 43% in the same period last year, the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA) said. New-car registrations in the EU increased 6.7% in November, the 16th consecutive month of growth, with a year-on-year rise of 13.3% in the registration of electric vehicles.

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think part of this might be due to the fact that in a lot of countries they are phasing out subsidies for EVs or decreasing them significantly. So people were rushing out to buy their EVs before this happened.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep. These numbers will plummet. EVs are not getting cheaper, Renault phased out the Zoe as well... Not only that, more and more people are going to just drive and repair the older cars - which is a good thing because you'd be able to drive many 100k km for the 10-15 tonns of Co2 a new EV needs to even be built... Co2 prices will make fossile fuels go out of fashion very fast, like in Sweden, we're over 80% of Diesel sold is renewable and gas 90% less Co2 emissions, most new-ish diesels are very clean (even the VW ones...) and particulate matter is "made" by both vehicles, so going by bike is the best option for that.

Many people I know actually bought new bikes, rather than a new car in the last 2 years...

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Swedish renewable fuels is a government policy mandate, which was replaced by the new far-right government in 2022. Sweden will not be using renewable fuels going forward.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I HIGHLY doubt that, because HVO is getting cheaper than fossile diesel. It already is in some parts of italy

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Here's more context. The government changed the requirement for fuels from 10% renewable to 6% renewable (so called "reduktionsplikt", literally "reduction requirement"). The Swedish government agency, Naturvårdsverket, predicts that less renewable fuels will be used by drivers due to this change, and that Swedish co2 emissions will rise 10% in a single year. Companies are also mad, because they have built out renewable fuel production facilities, and this change reduces the demand of gas stations to buy renewable fuel.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sankt-reduktionsplikt-okar-utslappen-med-tio-procent-ar-du-saker-pa-det

Pure car-friendly, anti-climate populism from Sweden's far-right government.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Doesn't change the fact, that the market will decide at this point what's going to be cheaper. The carbon tax is still in effect.

Also, Sweden is a democracy. The people voted for the government.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They cut energy tax as well.

Sure the people voted for a far-right government, but it is also the duty of the experts in a democracy to criticize the government when they enact bad policies. It is important in the Swedish model to listen to the experts.

The people voted for a government that would lower the cost of living and reduce crime. Cutting fuel regulation/taxes at the expense of the evironment might lower cost of living in the short term, but it will drastically increase it long term as the impacts of car dependency and climate change hit. The EU has already signaled that they will be imposing fines on Sweden for exceeding climate targets.

[–] Swerker@feddit.nu 1 points 10 months ago

And how much is because of taxes / subsides?

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 4 points 10 months ago

Doubt it. People don't change cars like that. Wealthy people might but I don't think they buy 50% of cars.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Should be 100%. Cars often last 20 years, and no car should be driving around in 2043 using 8L/100km.

[+] nexusband@lemmy.world -14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, because EVs grow on trees and are absolutely clean and do not need any resources at all!

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Little known fact, ICE cars don't grow on trees, either.

EVs use less resources over their lifespan than ICE cars, so replacing any ICE car sale with an EV car will always be better for the environment.

Saying EV cars are better than ICE cars is not an endorsement for cars and car-dependency. People need to move to car-sharing, bicycles, and walkable neighborhoods. The majority of EU residents should not own a car.

[–] Vrtrx@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is my kind of ICE car we all need

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I like those by they are still more expensive than EV and don't go to all the places.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

ICE ticket: 40 eur

EV car: 40,000 eur + 4000 eur in electricity + 4000 eur in repairs + 4000 eur in insurance + 4000 eur in road taxes

EV bicycle: 4000 eur, can ride on the ICE train with it

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? The trains are electric.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ICE = InterCity Express, Deutsche Bahn's high-speed rail brand

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I don't know how train in Germany are branded.

Two Avant tickets to Granda: 60 Euro.

Gasoline to drive two people and a EV bicycle to Granada: 30 Euro.

No one buys a car and pays 4000 in insurance and taxes to make a single trip.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It depends on if you already have a car or not. Using a car for your daily commute has other personal and societal impacts that I'm not going to get into here.

Watch these videos by Not Just Bikes for some information why car commuting is a bad idea: https://youtu.be/F4kmDxcfR48 https://youtu.be/kYHTzqHIngk

Let's assume that you don't already own a car for car commuting, and you only use said car for road trips; It's pretty likely that you would spend at least 4000 euros amortized on repairs, insurance, and taxes for a single road trip. The train is a lot cheaper.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jesus, who buys a car just for road trips? Yes, the thing no one does is stupid. Can we go back to reality now?

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well that was my point. Driving only seems cheaper because you spend so much money commuting with a car already. People who live in cities that aren't car-dependent save money by only spending 40 euros on high speed trains when they want to travel long-distance.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, car is a luxury. It let's you go anywhere they want when they want. People could do just fine without cars if only they limited themselves to daily commutes instead of going hiking, shopping or to that nice restaurant just out of town. It would also be cheaper not to do any of that. But people like comfort of driving so they buy cars and once they have a car they use it to go places. And once they have a car it's cheaper than train. We agree.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's tons of ways to get around without the economic, psychological, and societal downsides of owning a private car.

https://youtu.be/OObwqreAJ48

I'm rich enough to own a car, but I don't. I prefer the train, my cargo bike, and car share services.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, I know people will not die without a car. It's just more convenient. Is this really so hard to understand? I could spend hours hitchhiking and literally hiking every time I'm going climbing in the middle of nowhere (which is every week) but it's more convenient to drive. I wouldn't die if I stopped climbing but I like it. So yeah, I own a car.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Damn I wish our trains were like that.

On multiple occasions I've seen it be cheaper to fly to France or the Netherlands then back to the UK, rather than get the train between two cities.

Fuck the Beeching Cuts and all the negative consequences that came of it.

[–] wikibot@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

The Beeching cuts were a major series of route closures and service changes made as part of the restructuring of the nationalised railway system in Great Britain in the 1960s. They are named for Richard Beeching, then-chair of the British Railways Board and the author of two reports – The Reshaping of British Railways (1963) and The Development of the Major Railway Trunk Routes (1965) – that outlined the necessity of improving the efficiency of the railways and the plan for achieving this through restructuring. The first report identified 2,363 stations and 5,000 miles (8,000 km) of railway line for closure, amounting to 55% of stations, 30% of route miles, and the loss of 67,700 British Rail jobs, with an objective of stemming the large losses being incurred during a period of increasing competition from road transport and reducing the rail subsidies necessary to keep the network running. The second report identified a small number of major routes for significant investment. Such was the scale of these cuts that the programme came to be colloquially referred to as the Beeching Axe, though the 1963 report also recommended some less well-publicised changes; including a switch to the now-standard practice of containerisation for rail freight, and the replacement of some services with integrated bus services linked to the remaining railheads. Protests resulted in the saving of some stations and lines, but the majority were closed as planned. Beeching's name remains associated with the mass closure of railways and the loss of many local services in the period that followed. A few of these routes have since reopened. Some short sections have been preserved as heritage railways, while others have been incorporated into the National Cycle Network or used for road schemes. Others have since been built over, have reverted to farmland, or remain derelict with no plans for any reuse or redevelopment. Some, such as the bulk of the Midland Metro network around Birmingham and Wolverhampton, have since been incorporated into light rail lines.

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[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I hope they have the infrastructure for it unlike the US and its combined 10 chargers for the entire nation of EV drivers. /s ... Kind of.