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For the second time this month the Biden administration is bypassing Congress to approve an emergency weapons sale to Israel as Israel continues to prosecute its war against Hamas in Gaza under increasing international criticism.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah is Iran going to be your mid east human rights beacon?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's the only democracy in the middle east. It's the best hope for government by the people in that entire part of the world. Your dismissiveness of this basic fact of US middle east policy reveals how shallow your knowledge is.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If democracy commits genocide what's the benefit of it being a democracy? Please explain. Is it better for a journalist living in the middle east to be murderer by democratic government than autocratic one? Is he less dead?

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Explain what? That the world is full of horror and injustice and sometimes choices are hard?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 10 months ago

Explain how choosing genocide supports human rights. I you mean that by supporting Israel you're making sure you have a good place to store weapons and can murder people in the region say that. Talking about human rights beacons makes you sound silly.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this is just a personal attack.

please show me one fascist regime that has not arisen from a liberal democracy.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

When the only source for your argument is "because I said so", that makes the person who said it the only logical target for any rebuttal.

While this person's statements aren't popular here because they're not in complete alignment and support of the Lemmy pro-Palestine position and they're upsetting the groupthink...they are also not incorrect, and nothing they've said actually supports the actions of the Israeli government or even really takes a position on the current fighting in any way. They're just explaining the diplomatic situation and how it informs US actions to other commenters who don't seem to have that perspective.

If anything they said was wrong, by all means make that point...but so far all I've seen is them explaining a harsh and uncomfortable truth, those who don't want to hear it shooting the messenger, and then when they're sticking to their guns and restating their points, here you are calling it a personal attack.

What they're saying isn't what people here like hearing, but it's the reality of the bigger picture in many ways.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 0 points 10 months ago

>When the only source for your argument is “because I said so”, that makes the person who said it the only logical target for any rebuttal.

even if this were what is happening (it's not), this is still not an excuse to break the community rules.