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Student loan repayment problems frustrate borrowers, prompting federal response (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The constitution says nothing about paying bills. I think this example of ignorance is the reason why you are blaming Biden. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Biden cannot overrule a Supreme Court decision, and therefore telling them to get fucked would just be words.

The only people who want us to remain indentured are the Republicans, and the billionaires (usually the same thing).

Please do not go around telling lies.

[–] Potatofish@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But when enough liars agree with him, he feels right.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I bet they love to misquote the Bible too

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

"I love being misquoted, don't ever forget that" John 7:11

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nothing?

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

What the fuck is that then?

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This passage is from the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, specifically from Section 4. It addresses the issue of public debt, asserting that the debt of the United States government should be considered valid and unquestionable if it was authorized by law. This includes debts incurred for various governmental obligations, such as paying pensions and bounties related to services for suppressing insurrections or rebellions. This clause was primarily included in response to the debts incurred by the United States during the Civil War. It was meant to ensure that the debts the Union took on to finance its war efforts against the Confederacy would be honored, while simultaneously casting doubt on the legitimacy of the debts incurred by the Confederacy. Essentially, it was a guarantee that the United States would honor its financial obligations and a statement against the financial claims of the Confederacy.

So, I’m not sure how this has anything to do with student debt, as it doesn’t relate to citizens at all. Or is this one of those Republican things where you interpret text to mean whatever you want it to mean, thump thump.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It has nothing to do with student debt, it's relevant to the Republicans trying to use not paying existing obligations as a negotiating tactic. The fact that you don't get that demonstrates you have little to add to this discussion.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The post is about student debt. I assumed you were talking about the topic of the post. Are you just randomly blabbering?

Republicans using this to argue against forgiving student debt is ridiculous AS YOU SAID, it has nothing to do with student debt.

Are you handing me this win?

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Handing you a win? Bro, you can't even follow a thread with enough comprehension to grasp what's being discussed.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What do you think is being discussed?

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

mwguy said it's fair to blame Biden for giving up on the student loan issue for concessions to keep the government open

You asked if it would be more accurate to say that Republicans forced Biden to give up, so they are to blame

I said that the Constitution doesn't allow Congress to decide not to pay national debts, so Biden could have played hardball, but he didn't, so it's still fair to blame Biden

You got all butthurt about not knowing what's in the Constitution and couldn't follow what I was even talking about, and here we are.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

That happened after Republicans fought it by threatening to shut down the government. Why are you here to argue if you don't have a grasp on what actually happened in the first place? Fucking hell, no wonder you don't get it, you don't know what fucking happened.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The timeline of events in 2023 clarifies that the issue of student loan forgiveness and the budget negotiations in Congress were largely separate matters. The federal budget for FY23 was passed on December 23, 2022, covering the fiscal year from October 1, 2022, to September 30, 2023.

The Supreme Court's ruling on the Biden administration’s initial student loan forgiveness program occurred in June 2023, well after the budget had been finalized.

White House reveals draft plans for next student debt relief plan

Progressives worry Biden’s new student loan relief proposal is too small

Furthermore, the discussions and subsequent actions on student loan relief were not a part of the congressional budget process but were instead separate initiatives pursued by the executive branch. This distinction in timing and process indicates that the student loan forgiveness issue was not negotiated out of the FY23 budget by Republicans, as it was not part of the budget discussions at that time.

Edit: removed a link I didn’t copy correctly.