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‘Impossible’ to create AI tools like ChatGPT without copyrighted material, OpenAI says (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 10 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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‘Impossible’ to create AI tools like ChatGPT without copyrighted material, OpenAI says::Pressure grows on artificial intelligence firms over the content used to train their products

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[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I don’t understand why people are defending AI companies sucking up all human knowledge by saying “well, yeah, copyrights are too long anyway”.

Would you characterize projects like wikipedia or the internet archive as "sucking up all human knowledge"?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In Wikipedia's case, the text is (well, at least so far), written by actual humans. And no matter what you think about the ethics of Wikipedia editors, they are humans also. Human oversight is required for Wikipedia to function properly. If Wikipedia were to go to a model where some AI crawls the web for knowledge and writes articles based on that with limited human involvement, then it would be similar. But that's not what they are doing.

The Internet Archive is on a bit less steady legal ground (see the resent legal actions), but in its favor it is only storing information for archival and lending purposes, and not using that information to generate derivative works which it is then selling. (And it is the lending that is getting it into trouble right now, not the archiving).

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

The Internet Archive has no ground to stand on at all. It would be one thing if they only allowed downloading of orphaned or unavailable works, but that’s not the case.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Wikipedia has had bots writing articles since the 2000 census information was first published. The 2000 census article writing bot was actually the impetus for Wikipedia to make the WP:bot policies.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 13 points 10 months ago

Does Wikipedia ever have issues with copyright? If you don't cite your sources or use a copyrighted image, it will get removed

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wikipedia is free to the public. OpenAI is more than welcome to use whatever they want if they become free to the public too.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is free. They have a pair model with more stuff but the baseline model is more than enough for most things.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There should be no paid model if they aren't going to pay for training material.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There also shouldn't be goal post moving in lemmy threads but yet here we are. Can you move the goalposts back into position for me?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My position has always been that OpenAI can either pay for training materials or make money solely on advertisements. Having a paid version is completely unacceptable if they aren't paying for training.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

OpenAI is more than welcome to use whatever they want if they become free to the public too.

My position has always been

Left the goalposts and went on to gaslighting

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago