this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2024
965 points (89.6% liked)
Movies
7479 readers
239 users here now
Welcome to Movies, a community for discussing movies, film news, box office, and more! We want this to be a place for members to feel safe to discuss and share everything they love about movies and movie related things. Please feel free to take part and help our community grow!
Related Communities:
!books@lemmy.world - Discussing books and book-related things.
!comicbooks@lemmy.world - A place to discuss comic books of all types.
!marvelstudios@lemmy.world - LW's home for all things MCU.
While posting and commenting in this community, you must abide by the Lemmy.World Terms of Service: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
-
Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, ableist, or advocating violence will be removed.
-
Be civil: disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally insult others.
-
Spam, self promotion, trolling, and bots are not allowed
-
Shitposts and memes are allowed until they prove to be a problem.
Regarding spoilers; Please put "(Spoilers)" in the title of your post if you anticipate spoilers, as we do not currently have a spoiler tag available. If your post contains an image that could be considered a spoiler, please mark the thread as NSFW so the image gets blurred. As far as how long to wait until the post is no longer a spoiler, please just use your best judgement. Everyone has a different idea on this, so we don't want to make any hard limits.
Please use spoiler tags whenever commenting a spoiler in a non-spoiler thread. Most of the Lemmy clients don't support this but we want to get into the habit as clients will be supporting in the future.
Failure to follow these guidelines will result in your post/comment being removed and/or more severe actions. All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users. We ask that the users report any comment or post that violates the rules, and to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
🤡
I know it's always meant to be, you're a clown... But it just looks like your username with the clown face every time, not the person you're trying to call a clown. Just sayin lol.
yuriy 🤡
well i’m just as surprised as the clown emoji to read such a shitty take, so as far as i’m concerned it still fits
Lmao.
Well, those of us who've actually been intimate with and listened to women over the years understand that, while just a Hollywood movie, Barbie was a reasonably accurate commentary on how shitty this whole farce of "men do it best (yes everything)" winds up sucking for both men and women (and all in between).
What didn't you like? Did you expect a movie about toys coming to our world to have a haunting belabored plot that explored every realm of literary significance? Or are you sad that it made men being stupid actually as ridiculous as it looks?
That's funny because my wife hated it and said it was just a two hour complaint session while I thought it just did a mediocre job of conveying its message (which I agree with) at best. She absolutely hated the rant about being a woman while I thought the message was just done in the Hollywood 'character rants at a crowd' cliche instead of being done in a better way. A better way would have been ranting to her kid after something immediate prompts it instead of in a group rant removed from any immediate conflict. It just felt forced.
All of the Barbies and Kens were Hollywood movie stereotypical dumb. Yes, I know they are supposed to be dolls who are influenced by their owners or something (per stereotypical Barbie), and mostly cared for by children. But it could have had some nuance. And why are some of them smart, like Allen and Weird Barbie but not the doctor or president Barbie?
Some of the jokes seem like punch lines without any setup. Like the 'I don't have genitals' came out of nowhere and since she seemed to be confused by catcalls it made no sense for Barbie to blurt that out at that point in time.
They did not actually explain the patriarchy besides 'only men in charge'. They didn't cover how even women can prop it up, unless the Kens just saying Patriarchy over and over without any explanation was supposed to convey that. I don't know, that scene made zero sense too. Like the Kens being possibly homeless only needed a line about where they stayed at night like maybe camping on the beach and the Barbies thinking they were fine with it. Or even a two second moment of them packing up their tents at the beach in the morning. No time is needed, just context for why they might want to take over other than not being invited to girl's night.
Apparently men being in charge was bad, but they just ended up going back to only women in charge. They didn't do anything with the suggested possibility that the Kens were homeless, or that the matriarchy is just the reverse of patriarchy and they seemed to just go back to the Barbie world status quo at the end. Was that supposed to be a happy ending as an alternative to the children's understanding of how the real world is a patriarchy? Addressing that would have been great! That would at least make keeping Barbieland a matriarchy a somewhat happy ending.
So many things just came out of nowhere. Why did president business know about previous Barbies coming into the real world? Was that a bad thing? Was there something that came about from it? Are we supposed to just assume that he wanted to sort things out to avoid something? That was very unclear.
So in summary, I think all of the events of the movie could have been done far better with better writing with the exact same message, jokes needed better set ups or at least some context for them to land instead of seemingly out of nowhere, and a few things that were implied could have been addressed with a single line or a second or two for visual context.
Thanks for writing this out, I can only disagree with how much exposition was actually necessary, as I think most people in the audience got the gists pretty quickly. I'm glad your wife has an opinion on it too, humans as a group are not monoliths.
Patriarchy is becoming less of a problem, the tricky part has been elevating women without weakening men. We're all still good at what we do, and should be allowed to do what we are good at if it's beneficial to society. I add that last part as a stfu to the dunce who talk-shouts "but what if they're good at murdering???".
The plot has serious holes in it, as is customary for a lot of silly Hollywood movies, hell I think a few of the holes were purposeful for the sake of absurdity. I'm not trying to make a silly movie seem deep and pretentious by enhancing writing mistakes, just laughing at the result whether intentional or not. Maybe it was a little hammy. Meh, as is customary for pop films, especially ones with retro-80s-90s styling.
I mean you've seen some of those movies from back in the day, right? All to say, your analysis is probably valid, so is mine, who cares, it was ridiculous and I laughed because of it.
I was honestly hoping for something closer to Lego Movie which did an excellent job of balancing absurdity in the context of the toys with emotional moments about relationships while also being a feature length commercial. Trying to pass off obvious plot holes as being intentional when they weren't lampshaded is just giving the movie far more credit than it deserves.
Honestly there are a ton of movies that have the same basic approach of an oblivious person in the real world learning something fairly complex while balancing silly and emotional that were done so much better.
Speaking as a man, there should be zero concern about weakening men while elevating women. It is not a zero sum game and men who think that it is can go fuck themselves.
Cool. At least you gave it a shot, and from how much attention you paid the movie, seems like you at least appreciate how much work went into making it.
Not everyone's gonna be happy with a final product. That's all that can be said.
I'll point out, btw, your last paragraph was the primary thrust of the movie, in my opinion.
The movie did a terrible job of conveying the last sentence in my opinion. I know that is what they were trying to convey, but I think the execution was terrible.
To be clear, I loved some parts of the movie and laughed a lot.
To be honest, I wouldn't have even written any of these posts if I had not had high hopes for the movie and just assumed it would be generic Hollywood pandering.
Having a hard time articulating any sort of argument, huh? Need a dictionary to teach you some more words? Or maybe an English class to teach you how to form a coherent, complete sentence?
"it's bad because I said so. No I don't have to back my argument up."
Dunce.
Preferable.
Triggered, huh?
Piss baby admits being triggered! Everyone laugh at the snowflake piss baby!
Why should people be triggered by “Hollywood crapolla”? This reminds me of that bit John Waters has about how a lady called the cops after renting Pink Flamingos.
So it’s bad for a movie to make you laugh, and also you laugh when you’re triggered. Got it.
Believe it or not, people are allowed to like things you don't like.
Dumbfuck... can I call you "Dumbfuck"? Dumbfuck: if you had said you didn't like the concept or plot or don't like X as an actor or whatever that's fine, I wouldn't agree with you but that's fine. But to say it's just a "stupid shit movie" means ignoring excellent sets, excellent costumes, excellent casting, excellent cinematography, excellent writing, excellent line delivery, excellent music, etc. Not every great movie has good all of those things, this one did, so even if you didn't like the message (which cleverly switched throughout the movie) any of those things still gives you something to appreciate. Unless you're really fucking dumb, Dumbfuck.
Clearly, you're the dumb fuck.
Hmmm....this seems like something a dumb-fuck would say to deflect from their own dumb-fuckery, so I'm a bit skeptical 🫤 🤔 😘
What was the movie about according to you?
I still haven't seen it. Please hold back from spoilers.
It's about Beach.
Damn now I never see
Ken kills Dumbledore