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Brian Chaney says he asked for a supervisor during his arrest in Keego Harbor, Michigan, and Police Officer Richard Lindquist told him that another officer present was in charge. The problem: That second officer was not a supervisor or even a member of the Keego Harbor Police Department.

Lindquist was never disciplined and his chief says that while a suspect has the right to request a supervisor, what the officer did was OK.

“An officer can lie in the field when he’s not under oath,” Keego Harbor Police Chief John Fitzgerald said in a deposition in Chaney’s $10 million wrongful detention lawsuit.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago (3 children)

“An officer can lie in the field when he’s not under oath,” Keego Harbor Police Chief John Fitzgerald said in a deposition in Chaney’s $10 million wrongful detention lawsuit.

Their excuse for this is usually that they wouldn't be able to do undercover work if they had to tell the truth. And, to me, it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest that if they have to lie in the field to do something like undercover work, they have to get a judge to sign off on it first.

[–] valaramech@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I generally agree with the stance that undercover cops should be allowed to lie, since failing to do so would defeat the purpose of being undercover. However, an officer actively arresting someone using their authority as a police officer should be required to be as truthful as possible with the person detained.

I'll stop saying "defund the police" when "protect and serve" is actually what they do.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I agree completely. That's why I said a judge should have to sign off on it. An officer actively arresting someone could not legally lie in that scenario. Only cops in specific scenarios where judges approved of it could lie. That would be far from perfect, there are plenty of rubber stamp judges, but it would also be a lot better than what we have now.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Undercover work is minor for the reason cops like to be able to lie. It's more about obtaining confessions. If cops were punished for lying, it could cause thousands of confessions obtained under false pretenses to be called into question.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And how many of those confessions were of innocent people coerced that way?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

A lot more than anyone wants to admit.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

And how useful is anyone if everything they say is probably a lie? Is that someone the public should trust?