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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl -5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

20mph is School Zone speed. That's unreasonable. I don't know how other countries do it, but in the US that's for a few blocks and it's only active during the times when children are arriving/leaving school.

As someone who drives many places for their job, this would drive me insane. In fact, it's so slow that many will probably start ignoring all speed limits, making roads more dangerous and enforcement difficult.

[–] logmathr@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

School Zone speed is 15km/h (9mph) in the Netherlands, which is totally reasonable considering all the kids that can and will run on the street. You can usually just avoid those streets and most 30km/h streets (standard speed in neighborhoods).

[–] emuspawn@orbiting.observer 5 points 9 months ago

In Seattle, it's25 MPH on most city roads, also for safety reasons.

[–] hips_and_nips@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don’t know how other countries do it

We don’t coddle the auto industry and let them lobby competing transportation out of existence. We’re also not hostile to alternate transportation such as bicycles.

Here in the Netherlands I can bike to the coast in 20 minutes or I can take a 20 minute train to Amsterdam.

That’s unreasonable

Not in a European city.

it’s so slow that many will probably start ignoring all speed limits, making roads more dangerous and enforcement difficult.

That’s a nice slippery slope fallacy.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

It is called density. Bologna is five km wide and something like 13km long, although there is a motorway running along a site of the city. So you can be in any part of the city within less then half an hour by car. Bologna has a huge old town, which is not designed for cars at all and you are probably faster with a scooter.

Welcome to decent city planning.

[–] stardust@fosstodon.org 3 points 9 months ago

@Empricorn @silence7 Also, “the murder limit of 0 is so low that many will probably start ignoring all manslaughter prohibitions, making society more dangerous and enforcement difficult.”

#FuckCars #fallacy

[–] stardust@fosstodon.org 3 points 9 months ago

@Empricorn @silence7 In case you're not being ironic I dare you to get hit by a car that's moving at 32.19 km/h.

#FuckCars #MetricSystem

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You should sit in meditation for 20 minutes a day, unless you are too busy; then you should sit for an hour.