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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sure, give me another developed country with the equivalent of the 2nd Amendment.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Apples to Apples. You can't compare what happens in other countries to what happens in the US, first because we have the 2nd Amendment and second, because we don't have universal health care. :(

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Oh, right good call, I guess we just have to complain about the way they count the bodies on the internet instead of actually trying to do anything about the thousands of dead children on the hands of the American people and politicians. Totally good call lol.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Compare Mexico and Brazil to the USA both have super strict gun laws but lack safety nets for their citizens...

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Those are the 2 countries that you wanna be lumped in with?

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No safety nets for their citizens, but strong gun control... again more like the US policies than the EU.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

So you're saying the US is on par with Brazil and Mexico and not Canada, Germany, France, etc. That's your argument?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The post soecifically is about counting shootings and not proposing solutions, if you want to talk solutions I do have some good ideas about that too.

First, people need to get it out of their heads that banning guns is the answer. It can't be done because of the 2nd Amendment, and changing the 2nd Amendment is a political impossibility. You have to start by getting 290 votes in the House, the same body who needed 15 tries to get a simple 218 vote majority to pick their own leader. 290 on guns is out of reach.

So what DO we do? Well, how about a root cause analysis of each shooting? Let's determine what systemic failures allowed each shooting to happen and make corrections so it doesn't happen again.

Like that guy in Maine - Police knew FOR MONTHS that he was a potential danger. The military had warned them. He had psych evals backing it up. The cops decided he was too dangerous to engage with and did nothing. Even though Maine has a yellow flag law for weapon confiscation.

Apparently too dangerous to engage with so they just let him walk around in public? 🤔 Well, there's your problem.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/authorities-knew-maine-shooter-was-a-threat-but-felt-confronting-him-was-unsafe-video-shows/

Shooting after shooting we find these people weren't unknown to authorities, their lives were filled with more red flags than a May Day Parade, but nothing was done.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

First, people need to get it out of their heads that banning guns is the answer.

Right, changing a law is impossible, and looking at other country's examples is impossible because Americans are all born with itchy trigger fingers lol.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Given our current divisions? Yes, changing the law is impossible. We saw what it takes to get 290 Congressmen to agree... George Santos. You'll never get a vote like that on guns, or any other hot button issue, abortion, Supreme Court size, term limits... none of it. It's a non-starter.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Exactly. Give up and accept that your country doesn't represent the will of the people. Good call.