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They do, it just not as fast or reliable. SpaceX put more into infrastructure whereas the Military just did bare minimum. Now that Starlink is so much better, it's cheaper and more efficient to rent from them than to continue building their own.
You know what would be even cheaper? Seizing Starlink as a national security asset.
They'd have to seize spaceX too, which is the reason that starlink is viable in the first place due to reduced costs in launching satellites.
And then if they do both, survive the brain drain while simultaneously surviving the onslaught of Republican attempts to defund it into oblivion, because that's what they do.
Yeah. I don't like those chances, nor do I like Musk essentially having power over foreign relations. Kinda lose lose, which is why we're in this shitty holding pattern atm.
Make NASA Great Again.
Cool thing to say because NASA was great once
You know what would be the cherry on top? Seize all of Musk's assets, and kick his ass out of the country. Along with the Murdochs.
You can't really put a real cost on seizing something like that. Not all of the costs will be up front or even obvious. People don't like having their stit stolen, oddly enough.
that seems pretty stupid, should we also seize Amazon Kuiper when they start launching very soon?
yeah if they contract for military access and then dumbassidly refuse to give it.
Do you really want to give the government the power to do that, and then hand that power over to the military... I don't like Musk but I see so many worse scenarios with this being controlled by the military.
The government already has the power to do that.
If shit ever hit the fan, they could just invoke the DPA and force starlink to do exactly what they say.
Do you? Musk is already letting the Russian military use Starlink after refusing to let Ukraine us it in a major military operation.
What would be worse than giving aid to Russia?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/12/ukraine-accuses-russia-forces-using-elon-musk-starlink
This is crazy talk. Anybody can smuggle some terminals into their country. That doesn't mean they're being "helped". The US government would come down on SpaceX with unprecedented force if they violated sanctions like that
It's crazy talk? No. It's reality. Elon shut down Starlink for the Ukraine military with the excuse that they would have started World War 3. Meaning he has the power to shut down Starlink for the Russians as well.
They didn't have it on in that area and refused to turn it on when asked. They didn't just shut down the sats.
Who said anything about shutting down satellites?
Fair. I was referring to starlink access. They refused to turn them on in Crimea, but they didn't disable it while Ukraine was on a mission as was initially reported.
I'd love to better understand your position. it seems like you think that Starlink is aware of who is using a terminal. how can Starlink differentiate between a Ukrainian and Russian user in the same general area? should Starlink randomly turn off user terminals it suspects? what if it accidentally turns off a Ukrainian one? billing is obv not a good indicator
I want to understand your thoughts a little more clearly on this
The area is Russian-occupied. Just turn off Starlink to that area. It's not hard.
Yes, that sucks for anyone stuck there. But this is war. You don't let the Russians have an advantage.
I don't think that's where the problem I'm raising is. Think about an active confrontation area where both sides have Starlink. How do you tell which to turn off in this case? Ideally Ukraine would be using starshield and then Starlink can be turned off entirely
Elon seems to have worked that out already.
https://apnews.com/article/spacex-ukraine-starlink-russia-air-force-fde93d9a69d7dbd1326022ecfdbc53c2
that doesn't seem to support your assertion. blocking terminals in a specific geographic location (crimea) doesn't explain how to tell apart two sides using terminals in the same geographic area
Blocking terminals in the same geographic location- such as Russian-controlled territory? Something he isn't doing?
On an active battlefront these territories aren't strictly defined or are changing quickly. With that methodology if Ukrainian advanced too quickly into what was previously Russian territory, bam - Starlink stops working. That seems undesirable
Sorry... you're saying that SpaceX can't just turn access on and off whenever they feel like it? Like my ISP can if I don't pay my bill?
Coordinating with the Ukrainian military would be enough to tell them what to turn on and off.
Starlink terminals in Ukraine didn't come from one source. some have been donated by orgs in the US and other countries, some the government, some SpaceX themselves. Ukraine almost certainly doesn't have full knowledge of all the Starlink terminals it possesses. This isn't an ideal environment
So you are again saying that Elon can't do what he already did- not allow access in certain locations.
No. What I'm saying is that due to the fast-shifting geographic nature of a battlefront, and the lack of organization in where the user terminals have come from: (A) Starlink would have a hard time keeping up with a precise map (and would be prone to errors, and would need exact operational data) (B) Ukraine doesn't completely KNOW what terminals are theirs
So a geographic location block would be a hindrance for Ukrainian troops when trying to advance, and potentially dangerous when Russians advance into Ukrainian territory. Boundaries would constantly need to be redrawn, requiring exact knowledge of what is happening. Which for obvious reasons should not be shared
A) The Ukrainian military says where the Russians are. Starlink access is turned off there.
B) The Ukrainian military says where the Russians are. Starlink access is turned off there.
Yet again, this is something Elon already did to the Ukrainians. So all you are doing is saying is that somehow it's impossible for Elon to stop Starlink from being used in a certain geographic area when, yet again, that already happened.
Honestly, it sounds like you think somehow the Russian military is just superior somehow.
I feel like you are fundamentally misunderstanding me. Battle lines are not static or cut and dry. Neither militaries KNOW exactly where the enemy is. It isn't that simple
Again, weird, since Ukraine knew exactly where Russia was and exactly where they were when Elon didn't allow them to access Starlink.
So, again, sounds to me like you're saying Russia has superior tech powers Ukraine does not.
Who do you think paid for SpaceX to launch all those satellites?