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[–] knightly@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ali was making a statement about his refusal to be sent to fight in Vietnam. That soldiers are individuals, and that they have more in common with each other than they do with their own leadership.

I mean, yeah fascism and its leadership must be opposed in all its forms, but the average German soldier in WW2 wasn't any more brainwashed than the average American soldier is now.

The armies of the enemy are not our enemy. They are distant parts of ourselves, ruled over by wicked masters just as we are.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And that relates to being critical of and not supporting authoritarian regimes how?

[–] knightly@pawb.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's a warning, that in fighting fascism we must always remember that the enemy is not the people to avoid becoming the oppressor.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Me: Because you can be a leftist and not support that shit by holding positive views of the Soviet Union or China.

Them: To paraphrase Muhammad Ali: “I ain’t got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. No Viet Cong ever called me the N-word”.

You: It’s a warning, that in fighting fascism we must always remember that the enemy is not the people to avoid becoming the oppressor.

That seems like a very unrelated tangent you've gone on here?

Unless you're trying to argue that the people who push for and actively want those oppressive regimes are not the enemy? Which is so utterly ridiculous that I don't think that's your point.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That seems like a very unrelated tangent you've gone on here?

Don't worry about it, my ADHD-ass brain always has trouble explaining these intuitive leaps.

Unless you're trying to argue that the people who push for and actively want those oppressive regimes are not the enemy? Which is so utterly ridiculous that I don't think that's your point.

Actually, that's precisely it.

They might not be innocent, being complicit or even active participants in the oppression, but they are also victims of the regime as well. Those people are not the enemy, but the enemy's base of support.

Fascism builds its base with false promises of prosperity and blames its own ills on outsiders. Fighting them directly risks validating the regime's propaganda and making martyrs to their cause, but subverting that base erodes the regime's support and builds your own at the same time. It's easy because fascists love to broadcast their crimes and any prospefity that can be found never falls far from the top of the hierarchy.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

Most tankies live in cushy western countries going on about how great Russia/China are, the only thing they're victims of is their own stupidity.