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This is just blame-shifting propaganda for the uneducated. We've known for years that "just 100 companies are source of over 70% of emissions":
"Groundbreaking ‘Carbon Majors’ research finds 100 active fossil fuel producers including ExxonMobil, Shell, BHP Billiton and Gazprom are linked to 71% of industrial greenhouse gas emissions since 1988."
This assumes they just make product and shove it back into the ground.
We use it. Our parents used it.
The only thing they're guilty of is getting in the way of new development to greener tech, which is a massive thing, don't get me wrong. Edit by get in the way I mean lobby to mask impacts and block changes, which is fucking terrible.
The EPA and NASA also knew about climate change but our governments were corrupt and lobbied by these guys. THAT is a problem.
But the fact that oil was processed and consumed is not a corporation's fault, they produced it for customers. THAT PART ALONE is our fault.
If you use fuel, plastic etc, you're part of the problem.
If you corrupt government and hinder progress you're the source of the problem.
One is much worse than the other. EDIT BEING THE SOURCE IS WORSE! consumers have skin in the game but corrupt government officials (who engaged with lobbyists are worse)
I'm sorry you had trouble reading the parts where I clearly pointed out corruption and lobbying are the reasons, the source of the issue.
I hope you get to a point where you accept your externalities.
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I'm done with you. You didn't address or read the parts I wrote which specifically saddle "the owner class" with the core of the responsibility.
They're temporarily banned.
Thanks. They're following me to other communities now. Oh well.
I know I didn't express an easy, or very popular opinion, but I'm no shill. I just believe in owning personal responsibility for what we consume. I never said we, the consumers, were alone, or principly to blame for the state of the world.
For the record, I disagree with you somewhat. I think the plastics industry in particular has had a great deal of success by doing things like convincing consumers that recycling is up to them, instead of rethinking the nature of their products. Did you know that a lot of the anti-littering campaigns from the 1970's onward were bankrolled by the plastics industry? It was an effort to offload the responsibility to care about the environment onto consumers.
That said, this can be discussed civilly. The person who was arguing with you wouldn't do that, though.
Yes! That exact type of bankrolling is part of the "real" problem: actions by corps and govs to ambiguate the issue.
But most people don't think twice when they go into a store, get a plastic drink, then throw the bottle in the regular trash, or even litter. They should acknowledge their use of that onetime bottle is their responsibility.
I guess I take issue with folks posturing like the only needed action is systemic change, when personal change can start right now. ( Don't litter, find a reusable bottle, etc)
Anyway you didn't come here to continue this with me lol. Thanks for being legit