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Men work more overtime, take on more risks, and are more willing to put themselves in danger.
Men get paid more, because they are willing to pay the extra pound of flesh it demands, because they have a bit more flesh to offer. Men have higher average stamina, physical strength, and physical resilience.
I won't necessarily say that's a good thing, but it's a fact. There's a reason all the dangerous jobs are male dominated, but simultaneously men die on the job or get severely maimed substantially more.
Interestingly enough if you look at a woman dominated industry that is extremely dangerous abd demands a pound of flesh (like prostitution) suddenly the gender gap flips heavily the other way.
As I always say, you don't see people talking about gender disparity of garbage truck drivers and other areas of the sanitation industry, even though there's a lot of disparity over there.
Why aren't people complaining about the lack of women in the sanitation industry? Weird, huh?
@pixxelkick you might want to talk to teachers. They put the lie to everything you said here.
Anecdotal warning: From my experience going tk a gandful of schools in western canada... inner city schools bias towards women dimishes due to higher risk conditions. The gender ratio shifts as you go from nicer well funded schools to inner city poorer neighborhoods.
The higher risk schools tend to have way more men teaching as well as male cops walking around, whereas the gentrified safer schools tend to be women dominated.
It still leand towards women, but the lean evens out a lot more as risk/danger goes up, as well as pay.
You also see more male teachers if you go way up to far northern schools that have much harsher conditions, where governments trade to provide monetary incentives in return for roughing it up on way more secluded places.
So, nope, from what I've seen the pattern holds just as much in teaching.
The reality is that the patriarchy also oppresses most men who arent super rich white men (and they still have weird oppressive restrictions placed on them) and in the following case:
Liberal feminism and cultural feminism make for shitty reactionary feminism that still enforces rape culture. You can't replace class analysis that includes analysis of gendered oppression with "men are oppressors and women are oppressed"
You might like "The Will to Change" by feminist bell hooks which goes into the devaluing of men amongst other things.
You know women were only cleared for all positions in the military as of 1994, right? Who do you think pushed for that?
Tbh with how yall are denying the gender pay gap and acting like you carry the world I'm kinda rethinking my support of men in any way. Like bro women get drafted too, and they're called trans women. The issues you're talking about don't even only affect men, so it really just ends up being ineffectual whining.
When I presented male and worked at McDs, I had the highest wages of anybody but the manager. After I transitioned, they wouldn't hire me. That's an infinitely large pay gap.
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Scratch a liberal I guess
I can tell you've never actually worked a blue collar job.
Both factories I've worked in are evenly split 50/50 between men and women, but men are the ones that get to be supervisors while women stay in production. The main difference is that 90% of these women are migrants so they don't shy away from hard work the way USians do.
It's all socially constructed, there's no biological imperative, and it's extremely obvious if you go to any US factory.
Or go to any farm that uses migrant labor. Same story there, the fields are filled with both men and women. Or slaughterhouses or meat packing plants or many of the other dirty jobs where US-born workers are a small majority or in the minority. Women born in the US are socially conditioned to avoid these jobs and to instead pursue service jobs and other female-coded labor like hospitality and education and nursing, but women who immigrate from Africa or the Caribbean or Latin America don't have that choice.
Literally read Capital Volume 1 and note how women are put into degrading and dangerous conditions.
You don't get to "pick" jobs in a factory setting, you are assigned work and you either do it or get disciplined.
Women are operating heavy machinery, lifting and organizing steel parts, operating power tools like grinders and air guns, working with welders and powder coat ovens, and everything else that men do on the production line and at production stations. The difference is women have to stay at the bottom and don't get to be supervisors or managers or shift leaders. At best they can become a team leader, someone who barely makes more than anyone else and has to do basically every job that needs doing when there's staff shortage.
"Biology" doesn't cause men to like risky jobs, they're socially conditioned to undervalue their own health and comfort for money. You don't see rich men taking risky jobs! That's for all of us on the bottom of society, because we have few choices. Blaming biology for what is very obviously a product of capitalism is absurd. After reading Capital Volume 1, read The Origin of Family, Private Property, and the State.
Also? Sex work, the oldest profession, carries a huge risk of fatal injury and death. It's uncelebrated and frowned upon too.
Yet women dominate the work in that field. Why?
I cannot stress this point enough: You have a lot of denazifying to do. Stop acting like you're immune and start putting in the work.
So you're able to recognize that women CAN do dangerous work that pays well, but unable to recognize that sex work being the most done dangerous job for women isn't a problem? Do you not realize that most sex workers make far less money than similarly dangerous jobs? You might see top dollar escorts on the internet but the vast majority are women who are one paycheck away from homelessness. You're also not considering the availability of these jobs to women. I work in tech, and I no longer get job offers after transitioning. That isn't a mistake. Women do not fit cultures constant sexual harassment and racism, which is what men expect from them. Women are seen as less capable and less intelligent. Inb4 you argue I should have to do something dangerous and unrelated to the education I payed for.
Also, your gender bioessentialism is extraordinarily outdated, and reeks of alpha male podcasts. You're probably the type of guy to feel emasculated when a woman is stronger than you.