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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 82 points 7 months ago (4 children)
[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 80 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Corporations paying poverty wages while reporting record profits probably doesn't help either.

[–] don@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

~~probably definitely~~ unapologetically, immorally and deliberately

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Actually yes... fascism is a natural consequence of late-stage capitalism as it's one way to keep the exploited masses under control by focussing their anger away from the wealthy leaders.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What historical precedents would you cite as examples of your statement, "fascism is a natural consequence of late-stage capitalism"?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Basically every historic precedent works here. The turn of the 19th to 20th century can be mainly characterized by the results of a rapid technological advancement via industrialisation in which the workers were left behind while the control sat in higher-up circles, partly made up from remaining aristocracy and partly from rich high education citizens who accumulated mnost of the produced wealth. This basically slowly eliminated a general middle-class, provoking clashes between left wing worker movements representing the majority but not having the power and an established rich upper class trying to exploit them for more wealth. (To no one's surprise this is exactly the time when capitalism was defined in details: Karl Marx - Das Kapital (volume 1 to 3, 1867-1894 ))

That scenario can only (and usually has) resulted in either revolution or focusing that (poor, and usually less educated) majority's anger into another direction. The latter resulted in nationalist populist movements all throughout Europe. The only thing in doubt is if it would have won everywhere over time (as in some countries there still was a stable enough middle-class to delay that development at least fo a time). I assume so, but we will never know, as the countries where this development won faster (usually because the pre-conditions for the poorer population were already worse) changed the course of history for all.

If you want to call it a rise of fascism (the original one in Italy), nazis (in Germany) or a definitely fascistic military dictatorship based on "popular front" politics -with some support by monarchists realizing the risk they were in- (Spain) doesn't make a huge difference in the big picture.

Also: for a less historic and more "today" point of view look at Russia. Contrary to people still associating them with communism their form of oligarchy is definitely a variant of late-stage capitalism. In fact the risk of the US' capitalism developing even further into a pure wealth-based oligarchy is a discussion topic for at least two decades. And look were Russia is taking pointers from right now... straight from the nazi playbook.

(And now that I have mentioned it... and the discussed risk of the US moving into the same oligarchy direction: Isn't there a certain guy leaning heavily into far-right nationalism while using fascist and nazi rhetorics at times, who wants to become president again?)

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Given their posting history, I’m sure OP will find a way to say it’s Biden and the Democratic party’s fault.

Looking at the states through this lens is like all the articles that blame “congress” while ignoring which people in which party of which half of congress caused the issue of the day.

There are a multitude of reasons why this metric would come to be, but according to the comments here the important part is to keep saying “America sucks right now” without identifying any realistic solutions.

Best you’ll get is a half assed hand wave of people mumbling about Karl Marx like that helps anything.

[–] somethingchameleon@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago

No, it's the greed.

But the left and right can unite on that, which is why you try to ignore it.