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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)
[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nothing will be repoed. They may garnish your wages but at the end of the day, there is no collateral.

[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Garnished wages is still a huge problem.

Student loans are not forgiven in bankruptcy.

The federal government will garnish borrowers wages until they are paid, even if the borrower is bankrupt.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They look at your wages and expenses. I knew a dentist who got garnished 10 dollars a month. That’s all he could afford.

You can’t take blood from a turnip

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i applied for income based repayment program 3-4 different times, always denied. I was making around 2k/month, and they wanted me to pay $1000/month. after getting rejected the third or fourth time, I just stopped even attempting to handle the debt in good faith.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is insane. I don't think college should be free but it needs to be less expensive. It shouldn't cost an arm and leg to go to college and cost more than a car. I strongly support a subsidized school system that is reasonably priced. Free just means fewer people would be able to go. That is how most other countries handle the situation. I want everyone to have access to a low cost education to better themselves either for a job or just for personal enjoyment. I am always taking college classes but it has become a strain on my budget.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@wintermute_oregon @jpreston2005

Why shouldn't it be free? I mean if businesses are making A LOT of money from the labour of those who've paid extraordinary amounts for their education - and are no where near providing equal compensation for that labour - then businesses should be paying for ALL education.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I explained why it shouldn't be free. We would have to limit the number of students like the rest of the world does to control the cost. We would close it off to only the brightest and most people would be excluded from a college education. That is how most countries handle college. Only the best get to go and the rest go to trade school or just work other jobs. I want people here to have the chance to better themselves. That is the American dream.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

@wintermute_oregon

Why would we have to limit the number of students?

edit to add -- If businesses are paying ALL education costs there's no reasons whatsoever to limit education.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then why isn’t anyone else in the world doing it ? Because unit isn’t cost effective.

Also it isn’t the role of a business to pay for everything you want. That would bankrupt most companies overnight.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They don’t offer it to everyone. I’ve already addressed that. They control the numbers by standards. Something we don’t do in America.

A good example is Sweden. Their students come out owing almost as much as the average American.

https://www.bustedcubicle.com/advocacy/student-debt#:~:text=While%20Swedish%20universities%20don't,the%20American%20figure%20of%20%2437%2C400.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@wintermute_oregon

Then do what Canada does.

It's not that hard to find a better way than what America does now.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@wintermute_oregon

The first link you posted says

"Canada’s policies regarding student loans are similar to those in the US but injected with a small dose of compassion and critical thinking. The federal government provides up to 60 percent of a student’s tuition through the Canadian Student Loan Program (CSLP), while private lenders pick up the rest of the bill. All student loan payments are suspended until a student graduates and earns at least 25,000 CAD annually."

https://www.bustedcubicle.com/advocacy/student-debt

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s similar to ours. You don’t pay until you’re done. We don’t have a lower income range but 25k isn’t very much money. That’s below minimum wage in Canada.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

@wintermute_oregon

Canada does not have a national minimum wage.

I know that because I live here.

edit to add -- ... and my income last year was less than $15k.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

You have a minimum wage per province, correct?

https://www.nerdwallet.com/ca/personal-finance/canada-minmimum-wage-explained#:~:text=Here%E2%80%99s%20a%20look%20at%20current%20provincial%20and%20territorial,by%20April%202024%29.%208%20Nunavut%3A%20%2416.00.%20More%20items

College should be affordable and available. It used to be college kids word during the summer to pay their expenses during the college year. I don't think that is feasible nowadays.

I also think we need more trade schools. Not everyone needs a degree. We need plumbers, electricians, etc as well.

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

If enough people refuse to pay, the courts can't keep up.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

We shall see. The court battles could rage for decades.