yes, some lie might work, to undo the original message. But to say that one is red poses the risk of all of them shutting down in a second. How can they know that they are not red?

[–] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They will believe the they are red, but since they are not, they won’t shut down because they don’t actually know their own colour, they just think they do.

[–] LeekWeek@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I see what you are saying. I think it depends on the understanding of their rules. And whether they have the agency to shutdown themselves (which is my understanding), or whether the whole omniscient system is responsible for the shutdown (which I believe is your understanding).

[–] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think it HAS to be the system, because otherwise prior to this, they would have come to a belief about their colour and shut down anyways.

More than that, shutting down when you know your own colour does not offer them any sort of natural advantage or purpose, it’s a system thing and not an individual thing.

[–] LeekWeek@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

it is open to interpretation. the idea was that shutting down keeps the harmony in the society (because only once they know their own color they have some sort of incentive for discrimination against other colors).

and yes, there is a question on trust and belief versus knowledge. but assuming Vulcans are trustworthy, I think the synths conclusions can be seen as knowledge (i.e. not just belief).

[–] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Fair enough