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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They make you weaker, perhaps, but are you at the same level as a cis woman who was never exposed to that level of testosterone?

And trans men are just competing against men that naturally produce those same hormones.

It is simply a complex issue that defies a simple answer.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are plenty of cis women that have higher natural t levels than men, that's why many sports already required people stay under certain t levels before trans sporting rights were even in the question.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The effects of increased testosterone last a long time, even if it’s being blocked. And how exactly are testosterone levels being monitored? When? When, if ever, do the athletic advantages of male puberty and testosterone wear off?

People have reasonable and legitimate concerns beyond accusations of transphobia. Sweeping those concerns under the rug and acting like they are unfounded will earn the trans community little support.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, do you not even know that transition literally involves monitoring your E and T levels like, at least monthly to start with, to see what you know - the fucking dosage you need to suppress T and raise E to the needed level is? When trans women talk about their T levels, like I did ITT, do you think we're just making it up or what?

The advantages wear off pretty quick in terms of strength, but hey I'm fine with banning trans adults from competing if we make sure that future trans people can compete by being allowed to take puberty blockers when they actually need them (pre puberty).

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

To start, as you say. Certainly there need to be strict rules for pre- and in-competition testing.

And do you have a citation for stating the advantages wear off pretty quick? A science group was established by World Aquatics that determined that some advantages of going through male puberty are permanent.

By all means, if male puberty is blocked, compete.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So you're threatening your support of the trans community based on whether or not people agree with your sports opinions. Or, at least you're implying it's legitimate that people would do so. L take. Transphobic vibes.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not agree, but willing to at least engage in a good faith discussion of issues rather than resorting to accusations of transphobia.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is not a good faith discussion on your part and the fact that you don't realize that is why I'm calling you transphobic.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You clearly don’t know what a good faith discussion is.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

A good faith discussion starts with someone not being transphobic, and someone not tone-policing trans people for being concerned about the rampant transphobia on this post

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who disagrees with me is transphobic! It’s obviously not possible for me to be wrong!

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

You are wrong.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Every woman has variations in their hormone makeups and history. Besides, the pool of trans women athletes is just so small, and the amount of vitriol is so disproportionate and obviously rooted in transphobia.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The variations between biological men and women are larger and more significant than those between women.

And it isn’t that insignificant. Lia Thomas won an NCAA title, beating an Olympic silver medalist. Laurel Hubbard went to the Olympics. She lived as male 35 years before transitioning. She had given up weightlifting decades earlier. But at that age with little training, she suddenly qualified for the Olympics.