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Federated services have always had privacy issues but I expected Lemmy would have the fewest, but it's visibly worse for privacy than even Reddit.

  • Deleted comments remain on the server but hidden to non-admins, the username remains visible
  • Deleted account usernames remain visible too
  • Anything remains visible on federated servers!
  • When you delete your account, media does not get deleted on any server
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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It is reasonable that people should be able to delete their posts / comments. However I don't see how is this related to "privacy". How can something you post on a public forum be private?

[–] rstein@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

You can’t delete a mail you sent me, nor put your hand written letter to me in the bin. I can keep both and I can keep your name and addresses in my little black book. So there isn’t even that level of privacy in the real old fashioned communication.

And communication over the Internet was always the subject of storage. Your mail may be on the backup tape of a mail server. Your usenet posting is on archive.

So the assumption that the fediverse can forget….

[–] fidodo@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm also not sure how it's enforceable in a distributed system.

[–] __forward__@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blockchains have the property of being append-only, so a blockchain is precisely what makes it impossible to delete transactions. That being said, in a distributed system, once the message leaves trusted servers, it is obviously also impossible to delete it.

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 4 points 1 year ago

Nothing about how lemmy or the fediverse platforms work has anything to do with blockchains. Don't conflate "decentralization" to include blockchain. Torrents are also decentralized and have nothing to do with blockchains.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

its the principle behind the 'right to be forgotten'

if you posted something to a public forum and changed your mind, deciding it shouldnt be public after all, you should have that option

[–] CrateDane@feddit.dk 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is generally true, with exceptions like leaking someone else's private information.

But it implicates the adjacent "right to be forgotten" rather than narrowly defined "privacy". This could be a real legal issue in the EU.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is. GDPR in the EU dictates that every user which requests their information has to get it in 30 days, and every user who removes their information has to be able to get it removed (I think the time span for that is even shorter, so more pressure for the server admins)

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

The problem here is that your data is not only recopilated by your server and accessible to your server admins, the servers of the communities/magazines or people you interact with also recopilate any activity you have in relation to any community/magazine or user hosted in their server.

So, while the admin of your server has the obligation of deleting your data if you ask for it, the other servers admins don't necessarily have that obligation.

Also, I'm reading the GDPR and the "right to be forgotten" that many are quoting seems to refer to personal information only.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago

Probably in the sense that if it's not me that posted it, then I don't have any way of truly remove it (which I think is against the EU's laws). What I can think of right off the top of my head is revenge porn and doxxing. Furthermore there's also the right to be forgotten.