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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Or or, and hear me out here. We could do what has happened many different times throughout history. And take over/replace the structure of a party. The Democrats already ignore state and local elections across several red states. What if we lefties/socialist/etc instead of trying to prop up separate parties and separate candidates that always fail. Fielded our own candidates who more closely match our own ideals. And run them as Democrats in these areas. Focusing on funding them ourselves as well as whatever money the DNC apparatus might provide. We might actually start winning. And if we start winning we might actually be able to replace those in the DNC. And if we replace those in the DNC. Things might actually get better.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't that what they said?

converting the Democrats into a Socialist party would literally be easier

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah it was, but they added more context on how it was possible, so I wouldn't really say it was redundant.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is what the DSA has been trying to do and succeeding in for 30 years with candidates like AOC

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Succeeding? They’ve elected a tiny handful of candidates over the last thirty years so now that’s success? Lol, sounds like something a right wing Democrat would say, because that’s a very convenient result for the party itself. You’re either blindly loyal to this party or you must think we’re stupid.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They’ve elected a tiny handful of candidates over the last thirty years so now that’s success?

Almost all of which were elected in the past decade, that's rather quick for a political change as large as that. And more are being elected every year.

The DSA literally helped Bernie almost win the presidential primary, that wouldn't of even come close to happening if the average Democrat was some right wing anti-socialist hawk.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They propped up a Zionist who is now campaigning for Genocide Joe

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

When the military is deployed to crush protestors and trans people have their existence banned by Trump I'll know who to thank.

Kinda weird yall insist on calling him Genocide Joe.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't care what nonsense falls out of his demented mouth as long as he is sending bombs to an ongoing genocide

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you really and honestly believe that Joe Biden Is so evil that he's been sitting there relishing in the deaths of civilians for months?

And you do realize that sending weapons is not the sole discretion of the president? About 75% if congress keeps voting to send those weapons.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago

I could care less what he feels as he snuffs out the lives of children in Gaza.

Last Monday, the U.S. State Department deemed Israel in compliance with President Biden’s landmark national security memorandum issued in February. That memorandum required that recipients of U.S. weapons must demonstrate compliance with international law, and that they not interfere with or block the delivery of humanitarian aid.

Yes, it's absolutely in his discretion, and the lies his State Department are telling to continue doing so are outrageous and absurd.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait-5-moths-before-calling-a-genocide-a-genocide AOC?

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What do you think that purity testing gets you?

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Everyone has purity tests, everyone has red lines. None are more reasonable than genocide.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She said it was a humanitarian catastrophe from day one of the invasion and called for an immediate ceasefire soon after. Just because she didn't use the exact word you want, a hugely legally binding and implicating one too mind you, you're willing to write her off?

You do realize that if that is your standard then literally no member of congress or in the executive is good enough for you, right?

Not to mention that it'd be hugely irresponsible for any government official to make a comment like that before the ICC ruling is actually finished.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago

You think it's irresponsible to call this a genocide before the ICC comes to a verdict in 20 years?