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Just found out about my apparent logic deficits and am confused. (sh.itjust.works)
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Never thought, that I would have to post this. While reading my autism medical documents, from when I was 6 yo (I'm now in my late teens), my father found some logic deficits mentioned. I never knew about it. I seem inteligent, barely do any work for school and still do great. I'm the best in class at maths and some otger subjects. I even solved this and got 110 (I know, online iq tests aren't reliable, but I think it would have diagnosed intelectual dissability properly). My only logic issues are sudokus (I did them when I was around 6, stopped and now I'm bad at them, practically learning again) and physics at school (not terrible, but below average).

Do I have ID or not, should I test my iq professionally and how does intelectual dissability even show?

And of course for the dramatic effect: "What the hell?"

Edit: I know this is poorly written, am to lazy to edit.

Another edit: Forgot to mention, I'm known to be smart in most groups, some exceptions think I'm stupid, but most of them aren't really academically sucessful.

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[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Short version: It's BS.

Longer version: it's a report from years ago and an IQ test. You should not focus on the IQ. It doesn't matter. The diagnosis, well, it's medical and pathologizing. The criterias for autism in the DSM 4? 5? aren't that good. Nowadays, we understand autism in a complete different way and intelligence isn't part of it. What you will find written in the report is based on the point of view of neurotypical looking at and comparing something different. It's a one way assumption. This isn't the reality. They have to take in account how the autists live and experience the life. This is very different and shows that the criterias aren't as accurate as people thought.

You should not take this assumption about logic in the document too seriously.

This is doing echo to my own experience. I had some difficulties learning part of math and physics. Many teachers and professionals said that I would never get it. I would never do anything in my life. I did a formal IQ test and my score went above scale. But, I still struggled in part of math and physics. Later, I had the chance to empower myself. At this point, I understood why I struggled. I'm self-taught. So, the teachers and other professionals were wrong and the learning system wasn't adapted to my style of learning.

I started over. I respected my own style of learning. I didn't struggle.

What is in a document when you were 6 yo is a statement made looking through a disforming prism. I don't think you should give it too much credit.

The other point like for sudoku, you are using a lot of energy for many other things at your age. This was another issue. I used my energy masking and being with others. I didn't use it to resolve puzzles. (I feel old writing this.)

[–] dumbass@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think I have a good IQ score (I was just tested incorectly), but I'm mostly scared, because I don't know what logic deficit even is.

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Deficit of logic doesn't make any sense. It's a normative statement and the normalization of the human. It doesn't aline with the neurodiversity paradigm. It also doesn't take in account the environmental factor that influence your capacities in logic.

[–] dumbass@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well thanks. I don't perfectly understand what you mean by "enviromental factor", is it the education or something else?

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

An environmental factor is what have an influence on a human. For an easy example, the noise of a car is an environmental factor for noise hypersensitivity. Other example outside of Autism, pollution is an environmental factor for cancer.

For some autistics, being with friends is a factor to mask. Environmental factors influence your energy capacities, your behaviors, etc. this have an influence on your logic capacities. For example, an autistic has noise hypersensitivity. The noise in the classroom will have an influence on the cognitive capacities (like logic).

I just read this by Kieran Rose and it made me think about what you wrote:

So much of the autism narrative is a lack of reflective practice and critical thinking on the part of non-Autistic observers with all the power.

[–] dumbass@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

Well, it might be. I would be happier if I knew what was happening during testing, if I was even properly tested and what else happened then.