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And the wind screams Linux
If only Linux wasn't so frustrating to use for the average enduser. I'd never recommend it as a daily driver for 95% of people.
I'd argue that for the vast majority of users, a stable, modern Linux distro will meet their needs perfectly. Web browsing, watching YouTube, checking e-mail, looking at pictures of cats on the internet...
It's special/professional use-cases that are still lackluster. Try doing professional level photo editing on Linux... It's a nightmare. Integrating with corporate cloud solutions? Nah. Are these things doable? Absolutely. By the majority of users in that specific use-case? No.
But day-to-day, general use PC stuff? Yeah, absolutely. Even gaming is more accessible than ever. There's exactly one game in my Steam library that doesn't just work... To be clear, it doesn't work at all, but that's just because of my hardware setup. (Halo Infinite + Intel ARC + Linux = Game can't even launch. Worked fine with an AMD card, but when I upgraded late last year it borked. Known problem with Vulkan, DX12, and ARC)
I can be on a tirade about this. If only Krita decided to expand their focus instead of being conservative about their goals, or if GIMP actually had competent people years ago. But, now I'm at a point where I just don't give a damn about FOSS editing, and fine with let it all burn.
Lol! I'm fine with GIMP, actually. As a matter of fact, I prefer it to Photoshop. That's likely due to GIMP being my first introduction to photo manipulation though, and so I'm used to its paradigm.
Photo EDITING, though? There's no competition on Linux for the likes of Lightroom or Capture One Pro (my preferred RAW editing software). I gave up photography for a while because I hated editing my photos on Linux so much. I tried EVERY alternative Linux had to offer, and they all suck. Eventually, I started carrying around a USB-C SD card reader and just transferring photos of my camera to my phone to edit them in Snapseed of all things, I hated editing on Linux so much.
My try with GIMP is that I find that the interface is clunky, and the absence of non-destructive editing, and it's nowhere near the level of Krita/PS at a mechanical level. I tried the version with NDE in GIMP, but I just hate the flow and I find the absence of ease of access to filter as well as lack of inherent mask a issue. So, I'll stick with Krita instead, and it works out for my needs, but I'm not fully satisfied unless I have better selection tools in there.
Yea, that was my take as well. Try RawTherapee, they said. Nope, inferior, there were some photos where I could spot them in full-screen view, not even at 100%.
The one everyone always drones on and on about is Darktable... Don't get me wrong, it's a powerful piece of software. But... It's lackluster compared to the competition. I used it for a long time, figuring if I just made myself keep using it I'd get used to it... And then I actually stopped and thought about that sentence, lol. I shouldn't have to Stockholm's myself into liking a piece of software.
Oh yea, I tried that too, nope, just simply can't compare. That's why Adobe still gets my money as much as I don't want to give it to them. Luckily the Photography plan hasn't increased in price... yet.
I got tired of the subscription while I was still Windows-bound, so I trialed CaptureOne Pro. It didn't even have a subscription plan at the time, and I loved it so much I bought a perpetual license. I love the software, it's my favorite photo editing software period. They do offer a subscription now, as well as perpetual licenses, but you can't even begin to get it running under Linux so... Major bummer.
It really doesn't. My girlfriend needed to enable the Japanese keyboard on Kubuntu. That required half an hour of searching documentation and forum posts about how to install/enable FCITX5, then another hour debugging to find out it doesn't work on apps installed via snap.
I still haven't been able to come up with a KDE based distro (because it's way more familiar to Windows users) that actually meets the needs of non technical users.
Don't use snaps.
People shouldn't be using Ubuntu either but I suppose that's not going to happen. Just use a derivative like Linux Mint
Straight Debian with Cinnamon.
This is, again, an atypical use-case. Despite that, it's not hard to find the answers. Googling for "Linux Japanese keyboard layout" comes up with an easy-to-follow guide in the first 5 search results, literally on the Ubuntu forums. Understand I'm not saying the use case is particularly RARE, but it's not the norm either. And honestly, Snap sucks anyway. 😂
It could certainly be better supported and better documented, but you're looking through the lens of your specific experience, not realizing your experience is not that of the every day, average PC user.
Put up a dart board of the most widely used KDE distributions and throw a dart. You've got a KDE distro that actually meets the needs of a non-technical user. Kubuntu, Linux Mint's KDE edition, Fedora, OpenSUSE, hell throw Manjaro with KDE on. The desktop environment has zero bearing on a distro's ability to act like a computer, it's only the paint on the walls. If a distro "fits the needs of a non-technical user" by your definition with, say, GNOME or Cinnamon or XFCE or Budgie or whatever else, it'll do it with KDE too. Desktop environment != distribution.
Windows is frustrating for average people, the thing is that they get used to ms bullshit because they think there are no other way.
Understanding Linux kernel is medium hard, but not frustrating. Using a DE is NOT frustrating if you understand what's up with their core ideals. D-Bus, HOOKS, env variables... meh I can give you that. But 95% of users live in the web and/or office apps. And for that literally any flavor of Linux will do. My in laws would never in their lifetimes be able to distinguish Arch + KDE + SDDM + themes from Windows. I can bet my right testicle.
Linux isn't frustrating at all. Not sure what you're on about.
@aniki k
That's a fair criticism, but I wouldn't recommend Windows as a daily driver to 95% of people either. If you like/care/know about computers, use Linux, otherwise I'd recommend MacOS over Windows (unless said person uses their computer for gaming, in which case Windows'll give you the least hassle)
Really? MacOS? Why's that? I've never had the pleasure of working with a Mac, but I'd be open to trying it.
Actually, I'm thinking about picking a previous gen MacBook for my wife, I just need some confirmation on how it handles The Sims and Minecraft... 😂
I am honestly guessing but as long there’s mac compatibility on those (older) games I’d expect them to run just fine. MacOS is probably my favorite OS from an overall coherency standpoint, power with the command line, aesthetics and usability. You’re just not going to find a lot of overlap between people who use linux and the traditional mac crowd (except when it comes to software development weirdly, which is where I sit), but it is criminally underdiscussed around here every time Windows enshittifies. (BTW, not a fanboy, running multiple Windows, Linux and MacOS systems at home)