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Disposable society at the max. They done got the new generation to accept planned obsolescence...
Fuck that, Right To Repair!
And being able to easily side-load apps. Also being able to just use a USB C cable like every other device. ( will not apply to future EU, but will probably remain relevant other places ).
I just really fucking hate apple and thier walled garden bullshit.
Ha, I forgot about USB-C. My niece's iPhone was dead and we had nothing to charge her phone with. We were absolutely surrounded with tech but not a single Lightning cable. Forced incompatibility was having a leopards ate my face moment.
Apple has the longest support of any phone maker by far.
Name one Android phone that gets 5 years of the latest OS, without rooting or installing a third party OS, followed by another couple years of security updates.
The Fairphone. Fairphone 2 was updated from Android 5 through 10 (5 years on the latest version) Fairphone 3 started at 9 and is currently on Android 13, that's five years, and hasn't had it's last update yet.
That's two Android phones with at least 5 years on the latest OS, and Fairphone 2 got patch updates until this year, giving it support and updates from 2014 until 2023
Interesting. It's great that Fairphone is actually living up to their promises!
Why you want the latest OS anyways? Just to lock you out of features your device is otherwise capable of?
That's the way things are going. Try keeping up would ya?
Sure, if you don't care about being able to install new apps. Apple has many faults, but planned obsolescence is not one of them, especially since they OFFICIALLY support their devices 2-3 times as long as every single Android device out there.
Also, every iOS update has added functionality. I feel like I get a new phone every fall.
There’s no point in arguing with folks like that. They’re way more interested in platform wars than an honest argument. When they stick to the tired “planned obsolescence” lines from 10 years ago and try to argue that having a 2 year old phone that no longer gets security updates is a good thing, you know they jumped the shark years ago and are just posting in bad faith at this point.
Haha agreed, I just can't resist sometimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Believe me I get it :) It’s hard for me to resist too but sometimes there’s no winning. And winning isn’t even what we’re after usually. Just an honest back and forth about the pros and cons about the tech we all enjoy. It’s too bad that kind of discourse is so hard to come by these days :/
Oh no, no platform wars from me. Whatever operating system works for you, awesome!
But these companies that have gone so far as to glue or epoxy their batteries in, well that's totally planned obsolescence.
Guess it's only a coincidence which operating systems work with which devices... 🤔
You're joking, I hope. Does "batterygate" ring any bell?
Or maybe you want to look at Macbooks?
Or Airpods?
"Batterygate" was a PR issue. They should have been transparent that replacing the battery fixes it. Lithium ion batteries have a finite lifespan.
MacBooks and AirPods are a right to repair issue, not planned obsolescence. Right to repair is something that the industry as a whole sucks at and it's getting worse because every company is going down this path, not just Apple.
Right to repair is my biggest issue with Apple. They need to do better at this, especially if they're claiming to be so "green." However, I'm not letting everybody else off the hook when one and two year old smartphones are rendered obsolete by the other OEMs through software.
Maybe I want my phone to run the battery down quickly and get the full performance of my hardware. In typical Apple fashion, they've decided what's best for the user without giving them a choice or explaining what's happening or why.
Our shop literally wasn't allowed to purchase new iPhone batteries, because of US Customs. My boss had us using scrap batteries from spare parts devices, while still selling them off to customers as though they were 'new' batteries.
Any wonder why I quit in 2017? Wanna try again?
Again, name ONE other smartphone that is supported by the manufacturer for 5+ years.
As far as smart phones, what, are you trying to defend planned obsolescence?
Seriously, if the old tech could last 8+ years, why should the new tech be so shitty to only last a few years or so?
Shouldn't we be upgrading to devices meant to last 20+ years?
My definition of "planned obsolescence" includes devices that either come with outdated software from the factory, or devices that stop getting OS updates after a year or two. To accuse Apple of planned obsolescence in this context is absurd to me when all of their competitors are objectively worse at supporting their phones.
Well my definition of planned obsolescence is when they epoxy the battery into the phone. It's a well known fact that lithium batteries will wear out in a few years or so..
The EU recently voted to make it law that phone batteries and such need to be replaceable in the future.
Like, why would you want a battery you can't pull out or replace? It's like the first thing to wear out, and the most dangerous part.
Samsung epoxies the batteries in their phones, not Apple. Apple uses Command pull tabs. But, you know, Samsung is always innocent on the Internet.
When Apple switched from aluminum to glass, they most certainly now do epoxy them together.
https://piped.video/watch?v=X07j5deVIfU
Also, Samsung isn't even on my radar, F Samsung too. Samsung is most definitely not the only company that makes Android devices.
This video has nothing to do with battery replacements.
My roommate's dumb flip phone lasted 8 years.
Thinking about framing the parts actually.
Only reason it quit working was because they shut down 3G service here.
I don’t get this. Are you saying that iPhones are more disposable? iFixit says iPhones are more repairable than almost all android phones.
The software situation is no contest. My iPhone 6s, released in 2015, is still getting security updates in 2023. It got its last OS update in 2021. Meanwhile, most premium flagship Android phones don’t get security updates for more than 3 years, much less OS updates, and even that’s a recent change.
Not to say iPhones couldn’t be better, but I left Android specifically because of longevity. I wish all phones were as repairable as Fairphone.
Bruh, it takes a specially made and programmed laser to disassemble their epoxied phones these days. Where you been?
Check out the iFixit link in my previous comment. iPhones might suck for repairability, but they’re better than almost every Android phone. Where’s your evidence?
I don't need evidence, I spent over 7 years repairing them. I can reassemble certain Apple devices in my sleep, but you won't catch me dead with one.
Like WTF? They start off in the device setup like 'Please enter your CC number'...?
Adding a CC to your wallet is optional, Android offers similar card storage too so I don’t really see your point. It stays on device fully encrypted anyway.
No, that's not optional on iPhone, you can't even use their app store even for 'free' apps unless you enable their app store with a CC number.
Unless something seriously changed since 2017 when I gave up on Apple...
Didn’t even consider the App Store, I was busy thinking about the wallet. You’re right.
So your anecdote is more reliable than the analysis of the biggest repair site on the internet? (Ugh, I hate internet debates sometimes.)
I have never had a problem getting my iPhone fixed. But with 3 years max software support on Android, that’s not only planned obsolescence, it’s guaranteed obsolescence. Disposability is what your original comment was about.
Think you meant to reply one comment up the chain
Did you not look at the link they provided? iFixit is a pretty well respected site and the iPhone 14 and 14pro are both rated more repairable than the most popular Android phones. Looks like Fairphone and a few other niche Android brands are the only ones that have Apple beat.
Depends on the device you get. Guess what?
Out of my 4 fairly new Android devices, not a damn one of them are epoxied together.
Why does epoxy matter for it being “disposable”? No one has a problem getting their iPhone fixed.
You are either a troll or an idiot. Maybe both. I hope I'm wrong though.
You must not know anything about the R2R movement, the Right To Repair. Apple certified techs aren't allowed access to schematics or parts, their entire goal is to sell you a new device.
No need to be rude.
Again, youre wrong. Both Apple and Samsung release repair manuals and provide replacement parts. Literally no one has a problem getting either phone repaired.
I’m all for right to repair, but android phones suck for planned obsolescence so acting like they’re better about this is delusional. Don’t give them a pass.
Apple doesn’t provide parts, they’re providing assemblies. Those are easier to install, but way more expensive.
That’s a good point. If iPhones are more expensive to repair, then many people will dispose of them rather than repair. But I looked this up, completely expecting you to be right, and it looks like android phones like Samsung are often even more expensive to repair. So I’m still not seeing the justification for the original claim that iPhones are more disposable.
Yeah, I didn't do a comparison to Android phones, just DIY repairs like Louis Rossmann provides. He can replace single chips when they're broken, making a repair cost a few cents in parts rather than hundreds of Dollars.