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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


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That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


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We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If they were an accelerationist, wouldn't they be voting for Trump?

[–] norbert@kbin.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
  1. Not necessarily.

  2. Who says they aren't?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not necessarily

Why not? You're claiming they're operating on a principle of trying to accelerate collapse, and that Trump is the candidate to do that. But this is completely inconsistent with what the person is saying they'll do. It doesn't explain their behavior.

Who says they aren’t?

So we're just making things up whole cloth about people now?

[–] norbert@kbin.social -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's cute of you to step in to defend your alt account, but you can't be serious.

They're an accelerationist, for whatever reason, they want collapse. The quicker it happens the better, they admitted as much above.

You're supposing that Trump is the candidate to do that, I think most of lemmy would agree with you so I'll cede that point.

That point ceded, we can agree most of lemmy won't vote for Trump right? So what would be the point of talking about voting Trump here? It's far more effective for the accelerationist (who likely isn't conservative anyway) to be a "leftist" who's so disgusted with how corrupt and unfair the system is they simply just check out and encourage others to check out as well, "both sides are the same" of course.

So we're just making things up whole cloth about people now?

We're inferring things, it's quite a bit different comrade.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

It’s cute of you to step in to defend your alt account, but you can’t be serious.

Lmao.

Is there anything that could possibly falsify any of your evidence-free "inferences?"

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

You seem to be trying to solve this like social deduction games, but I don't think this is a correct or good thing to do