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Hamas shouldn't store weapons near civilian areas. They should also release the hostages and surrender.
I don't think you're being downvoted because anyone disagrees with you. Of course the terrorist organization should stop terrorizing people. But your comment really comes across as apologizing for the civilian deaths.
"You're not wrong, you're just an asshole."
I'm not apologizing for anything. The 'enlightened' leftists and college 'protestors' need to realize a cold hard fact. When you hide your forces among civilians and use them as human shields to protect military installations (ammo dump, command center, launchers, etc), in effect deliberately maximizing your own civilian casualties to dissuade attacks, you are not only committing a war crime, but you are forfeiting the protections of those civilians under international law, and those installations remain a valid military target in the eyes of the law.
So by Hamas operating out of schools, mosques, refugee camps, hospitals, and other civilian areas, they are the ones responsible for those civilian deaths, because they are putting civilians in harms way.
What are you talking about? No one is defending Hamas.
The civilians do not belong to Hamas. What exactly do you mean by "your own civilian casualties?"
No. Whoever killed the innocent people is responsible.
You're naive if you think no one disagrees. There's people on here consistently cheerleading for Hamas and at every protest you see people cosplaying as Hamas. There is a lot of support for genocide, so long as it's Jews that are the ones being murdered.
And yeah, Hamas is using civilians as human shields. If you actually cared about Palestinian civilians you wouldn't be calling people assholes for denouncing the actions of the real genocidal terrorists that are only getting Palestinian civilians killed with their cowardly tactics. But you don't really care about Palestinian civilians, you only care about hating Israel.
Can you share some links to these posts that support Hamas? Are they generally up-voted, or down-voted? There are trolls on every platform.
Making these kinds of strawman, ad-hominem attacks against me makes me very hesitant to engage in any kind of serious conversation with you, but maybe that's your intent? I am certain I haven't said anything that would make anyone think I hate Isreal.
That would be a waste of my time. You don't strike me as someone that would be convinced by facts.
You call people assholes when they state facts about the fucked up shit Hamas does.
This is cult behaviour... always attack never even try to defend the horrible things your side does because it's indefensible.
But maybe I'm wrong. Are you capable of unconditionally denouncing Hamas?
So you have the time to say shit, but backing it up is a waste of your time? This is a definitely a sure fire way to be taken seriously!
Your entire post is a series of strawman arguments. You clearly aren't interested in conversing in good faith, so I'm out.
"Don’t wrestle with pigs. You both get filthy and the pig likes it."
"You're just an asshole."
I know I already said I'm out, but that's the most truthful thing you've said in this entire conversation. Thanks for finally being somewhat honest.
The truth is you can't bring yourself to denounce Hamas. Monsters that actually commit genocide and you can't denounce them. And you call other people assholes.
When will you denounce israel for actually committing genocide?
As much as you try to normalize genocide by creating a false equivalency between the actions of Hamas (genocide) and the actions of Israel (war) these are actually two very different things to people outside of your information silo. You want to believe that Hamas aren't bad guys for what they did on October 7, so you have the need to subscribe to a "both sides" narrative which means that you have to believe Israel is committing genocide.
The flaw with the "both sides" mentality is that you're admitting you're actually fine with the horrible actions of your side. Trying to prove the other side is just as bad as your side does nothing to show that your side is good. You're just trying to prove other people are as bad as you are so you can continue to subscribe to the narrative you're accustomed to. Feeling that maintaining a narrative is more important than reality causes a disconnect and that disconnect from reality can lead to some very dark places.
On October 7 Hamas showed themselves for who they are. It's upsetting the Palestinian movement has made no effort to disconnect from Hamas, but that's how it went. If the Palestinian movement were a non-violent resistance movement, I'd 100% support it. But unfortunately it's not that kind of movement. It's a hate movement, with Hamas firmly embedded. Every protests I've seen, I've seen people cosplaying as Hamas. Why would people cosplay as people who commit genocide? It's a movement with hateful violent people embedded within it. In movements led by violent people, it doesn't matter how many non-violent people join. There's a power that comes from violence and violent people don't need to care about the opinions of the non-violent. The non-violent have to do as the violent want or there will be a night of the long knives.
You probably see the Hamas cosplayers at protests just as I do. You need to rationalize why it's ok to be a part of movement that very visibly supports genocide, as long as it's their side doing it. But the truth is Hamas committed Genocide, not matter what rationalization you try cover it up with. No matter how many videos designed to keep you angry at Israel so you don't think about what Hamas did, no matter how hard you try to avoid talking to people that don't believe the narrative you hang on to, none of this changes the fact that Hamas committed genocide on October 7. And you're seemingly fine with it.
I'm not saying "both sides", Israel is absolutely worse than Hamas. Israel was founded by terrorists and honors them by naming streets and buildings after them. Israel has been an ethnic cleansing project from the start and has used acts of terrorism to accomplish their goals all along the way. They've most recently ripped their masks off and are committing full-on genocide now, in a manner so flagrant that many who were ignorant to the horrors perpetuated by Israel can see it now.
Yes, that's right, Israel is worse than a terrorist group, which is quite the accomplishment for a "legitimate" state. Israel should be dissolved like Nazi Germany was. The world doesn't need an apartheid ethnostate, especially when it commits genocide.
Yup, pushing "both sides" narrative to in an effort normalize the genocide committed by Hamas on October 7. Everything you're saying, I've seen before.
You know that Hamas committed genocide, but by refusing to accept reality you prove your dedication to "the cause." This a pattern of behavior that's common in cults, the MAGA movement and many many fascist movements. Nothing you're saying is unique, nothing you're doing is original. It's not even unique to behave in this way in support of group that wants the genocide of Jews.
You talk of history but you haven't learned from the patterns of behaviour. How have things historically worked out for people that disconnect from reality in their support of a genocidal movement?
This is not true. You have a slanted view of history, and it seems once again you're doing the "both sides" thing (are you capable of any other way of thinking?) so that Hamas terrorism is fine. It's not. If it upsets you that Israel honors people that attacked the British for limiting Jewish immigration from Europe during the time period that the Nazis were in control of Europe (maybe you haven't thought about what was happening in Europe at that time just as you refuse to think about what happened on October 7) then why would you think it's acceptable for Palestinians to be terrorists? Nonsense "both sides" logic again.
But whatever, you're just another boring person "both sides" stuck both sides logic (which is actually logical) that got sucked into a fascist movement. This conversation has the exact same pattern as my conversations with MAGAs. An exhausting explanation of reality to someone that wants to loudly deny reality to prove their loyalty to their movement.
Your next impulse will be to say that I've wasted my time by having a conversation with you, because then you'd feel you won something wasting the time of someone that your movement considers an enemy... I guess? Never understood that impulse, seems to me like a self-own to say that someone else wasted their time by having a conversation with you. But that's the pattern of a conversation with a fascist. Because the goal of someone in a fascist movement isn't to learn anything, the goal is to put on a performance to prove loyalty to the movement.
Any nation that intentionally withholds food, medicine and potable water from a people that it finds inconvenient is a government intentionally committing genocide.
Ever consider the possibility that an extended campaign like we're seeing is simply not something they were prepared to do?
Also, never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence.
Also also, Israel asked for help from Arab countries in distributing food and Arab countries refused.
Also also also, a lot of the logistics for the pier Biden put in place is being done in Israel.
All of these contradict your narrative of Palestinians being intentionally starved. And remember if Hamas surrendered the logistical problems of feeding people in a warzone would go away. But if you're giving Hamas a pass on the genocide they committed on October 7, I'm sure you'll give them a pass on refusing to release the hostages (remember, taking civilians as hostages is war crime) and continuing a war that risks starvation of Palestinians. And why would they care about people starving? People will support them more while they hide in their bunkers with their hostages while their people starve. A psychopath is fine with people starving if it benefits them. And Palestinians starving benefits Hamas, so why would they want to do anything to prevent it?
Doesn't matter. It's still attempted genocide if you starve a population to death.
Doesn't matter. It's still genocide. Also those leaders are having problems because their people are furious over the fact that they've been paid off to let a genocide happen. Also, THAT IS ISRAEL'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WAR. Implying your inaction that you are responsible for because no one will help you out is the stupidest examples of so called logic I've seen in this site.
I think you misspelled Cyprus. Also that pier hasn't delivered even a single load of assistance to the Palestinians.
More stupidity.
You've gone too deep down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Please speak to someone who can help you. I'm not qualified to help you.
How much money does el-Sisi get from the US and the IMF?
You need to read more, you're brain is infested with settler colonialism justifications for starving people
Get help yourself, genocide justifier.
Tell me, is genocide ever justified? Reading your posts, it seems you believe that you do.
It is quite ironic of you to say this in a comment chain in which you came in, immediately attacking and attributing malicious intent to the other commenter, all the while insinuating that Israel does nothing wrong and only Hamas is to blame for the horrors happening. Of the two of it seemed to me like you were the one engaging more in this behavior.
But in the end it was indeed malicious intent. The guy supports Hamas.
I probably spent too much time during the pandemic talking with anti-vaxxers (nothing else to do), so I guess now I can pick up on this pattern of behaviour from the "I did my own research on the internet" crowd. Someone states indisputable facts, then the people that are pushing false narratives will make insinuations about how it's somehow wrong to do this. Not overt challenging the facts (because it's indisputable) But just how it's inappropriate somehow. Appeal to civility politics sort of thing.
In the end, it's not the tone or the presentation of the facts that bother this kind of person. It's someone presenting any kind of fact at all that's bothersome to the narrative brained crowd. This guy wants to support Hamas and the evil acts of Hamas are an inconvenience to the narrative he wants to believe in.
Same goes for those that wanted to believe the pandemic wasn't real, same goes for those that want to believe Trump is a great and moral leader. It's an inability to separate the facts of the real world with the narrative they want to believe about the world.
Okay Genocide justifier.
You do realize this logic is the same as if someone from a different household punches you, it gives you the moral right to shoot someone else from that same household in the head, right?
Finally, this blind allegiance to a morally wrong actor is going to make the rest of the world treat Israelis as the world treated Apartheid South Africans. I hope you enjoy being ostracized.
To add to this, Hamas has agreed to release the hostages several times. However Israel won’t agree to a ceasefire, and so the hostages haven’t been released.
Israel doesn’t want the hostages released, because then they can’t use the hostages as justification for their genocide.
false equivalence
[ fawls i-kwiv-uh-luhns ] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun
Claiming something is a false equivalence doesn't make it so. You want to make a claim like that, you have to justify it.
But I know you won't, because you're happy with the charred corpses of babies.