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How does this compare to other music streaming services these days?
Tidal is $11/mo for an individual and $17 for a 6 person family plan. I recently switched because they supposedly give a better cut to artists and serve flac files.
Yeah. Never thought I'd see the day when Tidal was cheaper than crappy Spotify.
If i wasn't paying for a family play on Spotify, I would have resorted to music piracy at this point. The quality is still garbage, the service is getting worse, but the prices are only going up every half a year
I tried sourcing my own music but man it's a lot harder than movies and shows. Especially when you like to hear random recommended music how do you get enough
Yeah - credit where it’s due, Spotify did a really good job with their music recommendation engine. It’s just that recently, they’ve started to get into the sad part of the enshittification cycle. I kinda saw the writing on the wall when they started forcing Joe Rogan podcast promos fucking everywhere, without having a config anywhere to disable podcast suggestions (which I don’t use through Spotify)
I'm surprised you're only getting these now. My recommendations have been mostly garbage for the better part of a decade so all this praise for finding new music confuses me a little. Spotify has many feats, but the algorithm never was one for me, quite the opposite. I find it more annoying than helpful, actually.
My beginning (about 6 years ago) was fine. Still miss the radio feature though.
They kinda brought it back but in a reverse form (former: 4 new 1 old, now: 5 old 1 new).
Playlist shuffle is atrocious but I am not picking them better any better.
Oh I started getting them years ago. That’s when the first inkling of “this thing might be going downhill now” entered my mind.
Feel you there. A lot of what i listen to are brand new bands, and finding sources for those is rough
£2 a month for a HiFi subscription if you use a Nigerian VPN.
Do you need to stay connected to that, or just for payment setup? I've already got an account...
So if you use a VPN to sign up, then disconnect the VPN, does it block you? Or do you always need to be on VPN?
You don’t need to be connected on the VPN to use it, I find it identical to my previous UK subscription.
Only difference is that your initial recommendations are for Nigerian music 😆 Those disappear quite quickly after you start listening to music you like tho.
Tidal is great but IIRC it either doesn't support Amazon Echo or the integration is poorly implemented.
Oh no.
Apple Music only raised the price by $1 since the launch in 2015 (9 years ago). But they added cool features like lossless audio quality and Dolby Atmos. They also had lyrics like 6 years before Spotify added them. I think you can even get it for $6 dollars if you're a student.
They also payout about 2.5X what Spotify does to artists.
How does this work? Spotify has a deal with the music publishers, where they give 70 % of all subscription income to the music companies. The music companies (Sony, Warner, etc) then split the money based on the share of streams.
How can Apple pay out 2.5x70 %, so 175 %? Are thes losing with every subscription?
Think of it not in terms of revenue percentages, but by payouts per song stream:
| Service | Payout/song | Plays to make $1 | | ------------- | -------- |
| | Tidal Music | $0.01284 | 78 | | Apple Music | $0.008 | 125 | | Amazon Music | $0.00402 | 249 | | Spotify | $0.00318 | 314 | | YouTube Music | $0.002 | 500 | | Pandora | $0.00133 | 752 | | Deezer | $0.0011 | 909 |
So song for song, Apple is paying 2.5x what Spotify is (.008/.00318), and Tidal is paying out a whopping 4x what Spotify pays.
Sauce: https://producerhive.com/music-marketing-tips/streaming-royalties-breakdown/
That whole article is BS, they even say it themselves:
There is no payout per stream. Instead a fixed percentage of the subscription price is shared among each streamed song. So why does Tidal pay more then? Either their subscriber numbers are still incorrect (they have a history of publishing way higher numbers than in reality), their subscriber listen to less music (which is the main reason Apple Music pays more per stream on paper, since its often bundled) or their audience focuses more on a single artist (or a genre).
Sure. Obviously it’s more complex than that, but it helps illustrate where the math came from in the parent comment. I don’t know why Tidal pays more, but I’m hypothesizing its because most of their “co-owners” of Tidal are themselves, artists/musicians, which IMO is significantly better than the out of touch folks running Spotify.
Some lyrics are now disappearing from Spotify :-(
lmao
The $6 student plan also includes Apple TV+
I feel they're all fairly similar. I won't do apple music because I don't do iOS, and I moved from Google play music when forced to the inferior YouTube music. I wonder if tidal or any other service has comparable pricing.
I've been using Apple Music on Android for years, I definitely recommend it. The app is totally fine, I think it's still better than Spotify's crappy app. On desktop you can use the Cider app, which is much better than iTunes. It's even available on Linux.
There is an official Apple Music desktop app for windows now, no need to use Cider.
I switched to AM a couple years ago due to the (better) privacy policy vs YTM. The app is 'fine' but it's painfully obvious that they didn't want to bother with the android UI guidelines. But it's a small annoyance, and the price is... palatable, I guess? I think I'd jump ship at $14, but at $12, fine. I don't use it that much.
Actually, it'd be nice if they would charge based on usage, not flat-rate. I doubt I'm using $3 of that $12 cost.
Hell no...Please not based on usage :o
But I'd be fine with the option to do either
I use YT Music because I get it cheap (VPN shenanigans), you can upload your own music (hello Nintendo soundtracks), and I mod the Android app to stop it being a mess (ReVanced Extended is the GOAT).
Do you always have to have the VPN connected to get the cheaper rate?
Nah just when I bought it. I did this a while ago so I'm not sure if it still works.
I'm gonna cling onto the quid a month rate for dear life.
I use Apple Music, primarily because I need to pay for the higher tiers iCloud storage for my wife’s photo addiction and it’s basically “free” for the family plan.
If I didn’t already have the higher tier iCloud, I would probably prefer tidal for higher quality, or Spotify for the more diverse library.
I use YouTube Music and it's pretty good, but the best feature is no more youtube ads.
I use Deezer's family plan that includes FLAC/HiFi for $15.99/month.