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[–] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But Chinese imperialism is okay?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As you can see from my words "not that I have high hopes for China, but it's hard to be worse than the US", I'm not advocating that "China good". I'm just saying it's hardly possible to bring more evil to the world than western Europe and the US have.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Are you sure it's hard to be worse that the US? Try to say Tienanmen Square Massacre in China and see what happens.

It's so ridiculous that if you find Chinese cheaters in a game just write those words in the chat and the cheater will be disconnected by the great firewall of china....

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I'm sure it's hard to be worse than the US. I'm aware that the Chinese government has oppressive attitudes against its own citizens in terms of freedom of speech. Funnily enough, the Chinese government rates much higher in terms of perception by its own citizens than those in western countries.

And the tiananmen square protest is absolutely insignificant in comparison with the carpet bombing campaigns of the US in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Korea, that left literal MILLIONS of deaths.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, because the Vietcong didn't massacre anyone? The Khmer rouge were also a bunch of saints. And China is not doing anything to the Uyghur population (or anyone that is not a Han Chinese).

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again, funny coming from the country in the world with most imprisoned population on earth (despite having 1/5th the population of China), in which the black population is extremely overrepresented.

Regardless of your opinion on the Vietcong and the Khmer Rouge, the US carpet bombing the entire fucking countries, including civilians and infrastructure, isn't justified, or is it? Do you argue that the Uyghur oppression is justified because of the terrorist attacks committed by Uyghur radicals? Or can we condemn both the US bombing of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia as well as the Uyghur oppression by the Chinese government, while being aware that the former caused millions of deaths and millions more of lives destroyed, and the latter isn't comparable in magnitude unless you're an Adrian Zenz dicksucker.

Do you realize how quickly you go and defend the US murdering literal millions of humans? I can condemn both countries for their actions, and look at the numbers and affirm: US imperialism is on a completely different order of magnitude of evil than Chinese government's actions.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope I'm not defending the US or the West. I'm just saying that "the other side" is even worse.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Yeah, and I'm correcting you since you're factually wrong about that by any actual METRIC of harm imposed onto the rest of the world you choose.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Also, isn't the US the one CURRENTLY suppressing protests in universities??

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah! They killed all the students that protested!!!!

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The 20th century of the US has plenty of cases of massacres against unions and miners, but yeah the modern US is more discreet about the way it kills people, like the black panthers or creating drug addictions from the CIA in black neighbourhoods.

But yeah the US tends to focus its murders in other soil, like in Vietnam, Korea or more recently Iraq

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And what this has to do with what CCP is doing right now?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Oh yes, I forgot that the Tiananmenr square massacre happened yesterday!

This has to do with comparing models of imperialism to see which one is more harmful. The US and European one is more harmful to the rest of the world, so I wish for its end. It's that simple.