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    Debian used to be so good. What happened!? (lemmy.world)
    submitted 4 months ago by renzev@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    Firefox on Debian stable is so old that websites yell at you to upgrade to a newer browser. And last time I tried installing Debian testing (or was it debian unstable?), the installer shat itself trying to make the bootloader. After I got it to boot, apt refused to work because of a missing symlink to busybox. Why on earth do they even need busybox if the base install already comes with full gnu coreutils? I remember Debian as the distro that Just Wroks(TM), when did it all go so wrong? Is anyone else here having similar issues, or am I doing something wrong?

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    [–] ninth_plane@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm considering moving to Debian Stable plus Flathub for graphical desktop packages like Firefox, it works well on the Steam Deck. SteamOS also provides Distrobox which helps in some cases.

    [–] renzev@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

    Flatpak is awesome, I love it so much. It lets users pick a distro based on the unique features that distro provides, without having to worry about whether their favourite apps are packaged. Since you're considering switching to debian+flatpak, here is a list of pitfalls I've run into in flatpak so far, maybe this can save you some troubleshooting:

    • You need to have a thing called an "xdg dekstop portal" installed. Otherwise filepickers will be broken. On Debian this should be a dependency of flatpak, so it should be installed by default tho.
    • If you're manually restarting Xorg without using a display manager, make sure the xdg desktop portal process doesn't get started twice. Otherwise it will be broken
    • As far as I understand, there's no way to use xdg desktop portal to forward an entire directory through to a flatpak'd app, unless the app itself asks specifically for a directory. So stuff like opening a .html file that references a .css file in the same directory with a flatpak'd browser will be broken, unless you manually make an exception using Flatseal or flatpak override.
    • Make sure your root filesystem is mounted with "shared" propagation, otherwise umount commands won't propagate into flatpak's sandbox, and drives will get stuck in a weird state where they're mounted in some namespaces, but not others. This should be the default in Debian tho.
    • If flatpak'd Firefox has ugly bitmap fonts, follow this workaround

    Anyway, this is just my experience running Flatapk in Void, hopefully it works smoother for you on Debian.

    [–] renzev@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    Flatpak is awesome, I love it so much. It lets users pick a distro based on the unique features that distro provides, without having to worry about whether their favourite apps are packaged. Since you're considering switching to debian+flatpak, here is a list of pitfalls I've run into in flatpak so far, maybe this can save you some troubleshooting:

    • You need to have a thing called an "xdg dekstop portal" installed. Otherwise filepickers will be broken. On Debian this should be a dependency of flatpak, so it should be installed by default tho.
    • If you're manually restarting Xorg without using a display manager, make sure the xdg desktop portal process doesn't get started twice. Otherwise it will be broken
    • As far as I understand, there's no way to use xdg desktop portal to forward an entire directory through to a flatpak'd app, unless the app itself asks specifically for a directory. So stuff like opening a .html file that references a .css file in the same directory with a flatpak'd browser will be broken, unless you manually make an exception using Flatseal or flatpak override.
    • Make sure your root filesystem is mounted with "shared" propagation, otherwise umount commands won't propagate into flatpak's sandbox, and drives will get stuck in a weird state where they're mounted in some namespaces, but not others. This should be the default in Debian tho.
    • If flatpak'd Firefox has ugly bitmap fonts, follow this workaround

    Anyway, this is just my experience running Flatapk in Void, hopefully it works smoother for you on Debian.