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ASML CEO says world needs the legacy chips China is producing, Handelsblatt reports (www.reuters.com)
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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

For every bleeding edge GPU and CPU, there are thousands of simpler ICs still in use. Microcontrollers, logic gates, opamps, etc. There's no reason to produce those at the smallest feature size possible.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but why were the original product lines closed, when there is still a need for them?

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

thin profit margins

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So building new production facilities in another location, with all it takes including logistics, is supposed to be cheaper than continuing an existing production?
It may be so, but something is wrong with this.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was only answering your question. It was shortsighted to close down those production lines. The obvious answer is to rebuild the capacity to make those chips, which will of course be expensive and may not even pay for itself.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, I'm not contradicting you, it's just weird to close production lines that have orders. But maybe the more expensive fabs try to force production to newer processes, because that makes them more money?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Also with a few commodity ICs one can make a decent hobbyist PC, sort of late 80s style, maybe even with Amiga-like co-processors for some tasks.

Haven't done anything like that. Actually I'm terrified with Altium Designer's workflow, not talking about less sugared things.

But the thought of having a kinda functional machine from components with much less centralized production feels good.