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Historically, when has voting ever stopped fascism? Do you have any historical knowledge of fascism, where you think you can stop it simply through the electoral process?
Your question is actually misleading. What you mean is "when did voting cause a fascist regime to hand over power peacefully", but what's not documented well in the history books is how many times a far right party lost an election, didn't get their hands on real power and didn't become a regime. The answer to the two questions is
What's better? Wait till it happens and it gets so bad that people take up arms and even more death occurs to start the long road back to peaceful transfer of power or vote it away before it starts?
You can help to prevent this, but no, you're claiming to care and hinting that you might be prepared to do something drastic, but if it comes down to putting a mark in a box, oh no, that's asking too much. You're completely deceiving yourself if you believe what you're saying.
No, that's not what I mean. America has a fascist problem, even if Biden wins fascism is still coming. I am directly asking you when fascism was stopped by voting against a fascist threat.
No, this is historically inaaccurate, hilariously so. The Nazis took power without being elected.
You can't "vote it away," fascists don't care about electoral results. They sieze power. Voting for Biden slows the descent into fascism but does nothing to the core reasons why it exists, ie decaying Capitalism and dying Imperialism.
I'm actually suggesting organizing, touching grass, and building dual power. I do plan on voting, I myself am undecided. If the Democrats manage to completely reverse their genocidal tendencies and take a firm Anticapitalist stance, I would probably vote for them, but as it stands that just kicks the problem down the road while conditions continue to worsen.
Even if your points were correct, it's an absurd conclusion to draw: voting mighn't keep them out of power in the long so don't try now? How stupid is that advice? Very.
The Nazi party came to hold the reigns of government by winning the largest number of seats in a parliamentary election. (In Europe coalition government is more common than in the USA.) No power, no regime.
For four years. Better than allowing it to happen this year!
Maybe we can kick the can down the road long enough for the Republican party to realise that cristofascism isn't popular and if they want power ever again they'd better drop it.
What do the fascists want? People who care to stay home on election day or vote for everyone except the one that beat trump last time. What are you advocating? The same course of action. Literally the same.
Blah blah blah, but putting a mark in the box that matters is too much for you. Got it. Very sincere antifascist. /s
I am correct, historically. Either way, you're voting for fascism slowly, rather than fascism rapidly. Why does that keep them out of power if it happens regardless?
Yes, the people voted against the Nazis and the liberals sided with the Nazis against the Leftists with electoral shenanigans, regardless of what the people wanted. You're proving my point.
Nope, fascism is gaining in power under Biden, the rate of increase slows. There isn't a binary Not Fascist/Fascist switch with Biden/Trump, fascism is gaining regardless. America isn't determined solely by the President.
It is popular, and continues to get more popular. This is why Liberals like yourself never manage to beat out fascists, you don't understand why it's appealing to desparate petite-bourgeoisie.
Fascists literally do not care what you or I do, they will continue to win locally unless leftists organize against them while Liberals cry for "civility."
You should read a book, any book. I think reading things might help you think more clearly.
Voting for slow fascism or fast fascism still results in fascism. How do you stop fascism from being on the ballot? Strongly worded letters?
Fascists want trump elected and they care passionately that anyone that doesn't share their ideals doesn't vote so they can win.
I'm not even a liberal. I just live in the real world that you theoretically care about, but absolutely not as far as putting a mark in a box.
Fascists are also okay with Biden getting elected. Fascists support Biden as well, even if they prefer Trump.
You aren't a liberal, you just support liberals and liberalism, and condemn leftism and leftists for opposing it and fascism. Got it.
Secondly, I already said I will vote, but as it stands both the Democrats and Republicans service fascism and fascists, ergo I have to go outside that binary to hope to stop fascism.
You're not a fascist, you just plan on allowing the cristofasists to win. Got it.
On the contrary, you believe electing christofascist enablers somehow isn't christofascists winning.
We disagree.