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THE NEXT time you are stuck in traffic, look around you. Not at the cars, but the passengers. If you are in America, the chances are that one in 75 of them will be killed by a car—most of those by someone else’s car. Wherever you may be, the folk cocooned in a giant SUV or pickup truck are likelier to survive a collision with another vehicle. But the weight of their machines has a cost, because it makes the roads more dangerous for everyone else. The Economist has found that, for every life the heaviest 1% of SUVs or trucks saves in America, more than a dozen lives are lost in smaller vehicles. This makes traffic jams an ethics class on wheels.

Each year cars kill roughly 40,000 people in America—and not just because it is a big place where people love to drive. The country’s roads are nearly twice as dangerous per mile driven as those in the rest of the rich world. Deaths there involving cars have increased over the past decade, despite the introduction of technology meant to make driving safer.

Weight is to blame. Using data for 7.5m crashes in 14 American states in 2013-23, we found that for every 10,000 crashes the heaviest vehicles kill 37 people in the other car, compared with 5.7 for cars of a median weight and just 2.6 for the lightest. The situation is getting worse. In 2023, 31% of new cars in America weighed over 5,000lb (2.27 tonnes), compared with 22% in 2018. The number of pedestrians killed by cars has almost doubled since 2010. Although a typical car is 25% lighter in Europe and 40% lighter in Japan, electrification will add weight there too, exacerbating the gap between the heaviest vehicles and the lightest.

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 120 points 2 months ago (33 children)

Tax by weight. These things destroy roads so it'll be easy to avoid the "government overreach" yapping.

Yeah I'll pay more in taxes for my fat sedan, but it'll be worth it.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (21 children)

The fourth power law (also known as the fourth power rule) states that the greater the axle load of a vehicle, the stress on the road caused by the motor vehicle increases in proportion to the fourth power of the axle load.

Basically a big ass pickup that weighs twice as much as a car should be taxed at 2^4 = 16 times as much by this metric

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[–] Steve 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sounds reasonable.
That'll work to make them less popular.

[–] Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People won't understand the math, though. They'll just blame the libs for depriving them of their overcompensation-mobile.

[–] Steve 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Some will even if they do understand the math.

Becides that's an argument against all laws.
The people who a law is bad for, will always hate and fight it.

If they stopped making the truck part of their personality, they'd probably be easier to convince.

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