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Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are veering sharply in how they gear up for Tuesday’s presidential debate, setting up a showdown that reflects not just two separate visions for the country but two politicians who approach big moments very differently.

The vice president is cloistered in a historic hotel in downtown Pittsburgh where she can focus on honing crisp two-minute answers, per the debate’s rules. She’s been working with aides since Thursday and chose a venue that allows the Democratic nominee the option of mingling with swing-state voters.

Trump, the Republican nominee, publicly dismisses the value of studying for the debate. The former president is choosing instead to fill his days with campaign-related events on the premise that he’ll know what he needs to do once he steps on the debate stage at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.

“You can go in with all the strategy you want but you have to sort of feel it out as the debate’s taking place,” he said during a town hall with Fox News host Sean Hannity.

Trump then quoted former boxing great Mike Tyson, who said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (19 children)

if kamala doesn't fucking steam roll in this debate i'm handing over my citizenship card, whoever wants it first can claim it later.

[–] StThicket@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

That's like handing out the condom that was used by your country to f--k you in the a-- for your entire life.

Hard pass.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ive had so many arguments with my mother where she just can't wrap her mind around the fact that someone might not want american citizenship. She always says the dumbest phrase too: "american citizenship is worth too much money to pass up".

Right, cause I'd love to pay the US taxes when I don't even live in the country.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, cause I’d love to pay the US taxes when I don’t even live in the country.

do you have to pay them? I thought it was just that you had to file them, which afaik doesn't include paying them.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes the taxes work exactly the same whether you live in America or not. They have a cutoff level where if you are below that income you don't have to file.

They also claim you can receive a tax refund for overpayment like a lot of americans do, but I believe that would only happen if you actually overpay your taxes somehow prior to filling out the tax form.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes the taxes work exactly the same whether you live in America or not. They have a cutoff level where if you are below that income you don’t have to file.

i assume it accounts for where that income is made? Or does it just apply to all income period, such that you have to pay federal taxes on money made somewhere else, obviously i don't think you can file state taxes, since you don't live in a state. But idk about that one.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Any money an american citizen makes is taxed, no matter where it comes from. I'm sure theres loopholes and exceptions for wealthier folk but yeah its a rough pill to swallow for those living abroad who want to keep citizenship.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah it varies widely from person to person but it seems the average consensus is you at least have to file and at most you have to pay america and the country you work in both.

You also have to make America aware of any assets you have over 10k. Not really the same but I consider it odd behavior if you don't live in that country.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

perhaps this is relatively normal among dual citizenship? I don't actually know much about that, but people don't generally have the most flexible citizenship arrangements, otherwise you would expect to see people with like 10 different citizenships lol.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From what ive read there are two countries that do this, and I'm not even joking the second country is one ive only heard the name of twice and I can't remember it.

I'm sure theres gotta be some close examples but apparently america stands relatively alone in some important ways.

there's definitely gotta be some examples of this outside of the US.

Though western europe is probably unique for the simple reason that it has to be highly comingled with other countries, due to the EU. So that probably doesn't count. IDK fuck shit about the middle east/asia, and africa tho.

one mans trash is another mans treasure

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