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The real source is a German news site called "Tag24 News." Why did you link to an MSN reprint of it?
In any event, Jill Stein is almost certainly a Russian asset, and the American version of the Green Party bears little resemblance to the European Greens, both in policy positions and credibility. Ellison has every right to express his opinions about them.
Because the MSN link is what comes up in my newsfeed and is the version I read. So I posted. In any event, Tag24News is a legit news site as well
You're welcome to your opinion, but I don't think she is.
Translation: I'm covering for her as a part time job
They've hired Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow to try to force their way onto the ballot in Nevada, a swing state. They're so obviously compromised.
Heavens no, not ballot representation!
True representation would be an electoral system without the spoiler effect.
Why are you fighting so hard to retain the spoiler effect?
I'm explicitly wanting to get rid of the spoiler effect.
No, see jill stein wants to get rid of first past the post. Democrats fight to keep competitors off the ballot because they benefit from first past the post. You are explicitly fighting to keep it.
And I want to be able to jump over entire buildings with a single bound, and shoot lasers out of my eyes.
Talk is cheap when you've lost every single presidential election you've entered, especially losing so bad as to never get any electoral college nominations.
No, I vote in the primaries at every chance to get as left of a candidate nominated as possible. The way to move forward is to take over the DNC. That starts at the ground level.
Just going for the presidency is a failed strategy. So all we can do at this time is harm reduction at that level.
wait.... she's won non-presidential elections? (has Stein even participated in non-presidential elections as a candidate?)
No, she's never won an election outside of her party's nomination.
You vote exclusively for candidates that actively support and benefit from first past the post, and are fighting against a candidate that actively supports getting rid of it. You cant claim to want to get rid of it
I'm curious.
How does a federal elected official- of any variety- get rid of FPTP voting? States run and manage their own elections. short of a constitutional amendment, no US president or congressperson can get that done.
That isn't true, and I just told you. This sort of change happens at the local level, at the lower ranks of government.
The president is not the only elected position in government.
Not really. Stein is probably barely even on the Harris campaign's radar. The actual, real fight is against Trump.
Sure I can, just watch me:
I want to get rid of the spoiler effect, and will help to do so by voting for candidates at the local level who support better voting methods, when such candidates are available.
Such candidates are available, youre arguing they shouldnt be allowed to run because theyll spoil the party that benefits tremendously from first past the post.
No I'm not. I'm saying it is almost always a waste of a vote to give them your vote. And anybody running as a 3rd party candidate should do so strategically, in places where there is actually a chance to win without causing ideologically furthest opponents from winning.
Huge swaths of races in the U.S. go unopposed, largely at the local level. Third parties could easily and cheaply target those races, but they don't.
Sorry, im mixed up in several posts specifically about barring third parties from running. This one is just criticism.
Isn't if funny how posters here are saying she and her party are not competent or important, but they are working hard to keep her off the ballot?
So she hires a lawyer, then they cry about that.
It seems like there’s a lot of effort being made for something they’re supposedly unconcerned about. lol
Doesn't bother me at all.
Not really opinion at this point...
Putin’s Shill Stein wants Nato disbanded, the US to give up their SC veto, and revoke weapons to help Ukraine defend itself while simultaneously forcing ‘peace’ (subjugation) negotiations with russia.
For those that don’t understand how the Electoral College + FPTP voting works, voting for her means helping donald become president due to the spoiler effect.
2015 Stein breaking bread with Putin, his senior staff, and Mike Flynn (later Trump's national security advisor
More context:
It is still an opinion though.
If anything they did was illegal, then it'd be front page news. And apparently enough people like her that it makes Democrats scared and angry enough to try to block her and spread misinformation about her every chance they get. lol
I personally don't care about that photo or your suspicions about her at all all.
The more you repeat this, the more clear it is you have a very childish understanding of electoral dynamics and voter motivations.
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But clearly, enough people agree with me that it has the duopoly worried. I'm perfectly fine with that, thanks! :)
You're confusing worry with annoyance.
Maybe. Then you all can block me, just like the dems are trying to do with third parties. Except blocking me is way easier! :)
Someone has to bite the bullet to keep discrediting that traitor and her sycophants until the election is over. Might as well be me.
Hey brother, then you do you. Always good to have a mission.
I'm not voting for her, so not really that big of a deal to me.
Haven't said she did anything illegal yet. We aren't spreading misinformation. All that is backed up by evidence. You are.
Then report me to the mods, file a complaint with the linked news sources, and/or block me. Also, that photo and damning evidence isn't for you. :D
What misinformation am I spreading? I just posted a news article. If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it.
Why would I report you to the mods?! I haven't seen you do anything in this thread that's against community rules. I'm fine with you disagreeing with me. I disagree with you too.
I'm not even voting for her. lol
This you?
For one, you claim that Democrats are angry or worried about the Green Party and you KNOW (because I and many Many people have proven this to you beyond the point of rational disagreement) they aren't. What they are worried or angry about is the danger of the spoiler effect of these BS 3rd party candidates, with zero chance of winning the presidency, causing the Republicans to win despite almost nobody in these conversations wanting that at all.
You've blatantly said you do not care about the spoiler effect and the only reason someone with your alleged intentions wouldn't care about increasing the chances of Trump winning is if that was what your real goal was.
If they're not angry or worried, then why is there such a strong reaction when I post news about the Green Party? Why go to such lengths to remove them from the ballot? It seems like there's a lot of effort being made for something they're supposedly unconcerned about.
So, they are worried and angry about the Green Party, just for different reasons. That seems to contradict what you just said.
The Trump accusation is not only incorrect but painfully unoriginal. The real threat is the Duopoly and capitalism. Whether it’s Trump or Harris, both serve the same ruling class keeping workers down.
If you think I'm voting for Trump, then you haven't noticed any of my posts. lol Have a look: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
No one believes you're a socialist
Your denial is meaningless. The spoiler effect is proven. Voting 3rd party has cost elections. If you really don't want Trump to win you'd vote Harris, say you were, and clearly state that reality gives you no real choice otherwise you'd vote for whomever. An intelligent stance that acknowledges that you are forced to choose a lesser evil lest 5th grader logic result in the greater evil winning.
If there were primaries, or any 3rd party actually had a chance then by all means vote your conscience. That isn't the case so act your age instead of petulantly voting against your interests just because thinking is hard. Trump will thank you otherwise.
You want to discuss all the mistakes and perversions of/in the system that got us stuck in this mess with no way out that isn't a cop-out I will stand by you and commiserate fullheartedly. But get real in the meantime.
No thanks. I'll vote for who I want to and who best aligns with my values. And that's not Trump or Harris. :)
And when Trump wins because Harris lost a battleground state by 700 votes a progressive 3rd party got instead what will you say when the US starts sending weapons to Israel en masse?
Why would I say anything? I'm not voting for Trump.
If the Democrats are truly worried about losing votes to a third party, they could adopt policies that actually reflect the values of those voters instead of just expecting us to fall in line.
My vote isn’t driven by fear. If Harris loses by such a slim margin, it’s not the fault of third-party voters—it’s the Democrats’ failure to address the issues that matter to us third-party voters.
Ohp, Trump just sent a plane load of MOABS to Israel.. If only that could have been avoided. You didn't vote for him so you got no worries though , except he just announced anyone pro-Palestine be sent to Segregation camps... sleep soundly with that clean conscience on your wooden mattress.
Yeah, maybe the democrats should have been better and won the election!
That is correct. I won't be voting for him.
That claim is absolutely ridiculous and nothing more than an over-the-top exaggeration. There’s no reality in which such extreme policies would be implemented, and statements like that just serve to fuel unnecessary fear and hysteria.
Let’s stick to the facts and not dive into wild, unfounded hyperbole.
You are free to vote out of fear. I won't.
I can't hear you. You and your ilk have been declared a threat to national security and don't have access to any form of public communication. If it helps, one of your family or friends that registered not 3rd party have retained a lawyer and are attempting to free you on compassionate grounds. Even if they can prove a lack of mental competence to stand trial it will still take years to make the case. Enjoy your guilt-free gruel until then.
The death toll in Palestine has exceeded both Trump and Netanyahu's expectations so they've announced 2 more shipments to Israel.
If only there was some way you and your compatriots could have prevented this horror from happening by getting Harris the few votes she needed, distasteful as it might have been.
Carrying on the fictional scenario I see.
It's not my job to "get" Harris or the democrats any votes. I don't like her and I won't be voting for her. That's the job of the democratic party.
I'm voting for the candidate who I like. Just as you are free to vote for the candidate you like.
Enjoying my gruel right now actually. Thank you!
No, but it is your job to break large rocks with a mallet all day until Bubba says you can stop. Rumour has spread that Jill Stein fled to Russia, and that Trump signed into law a ban on all unions except for the police.
Shame there was no possible way you and your comrades could have strategically voted that could have prevented all these and more opposites-to-your-'intentions'.
If the Democrats are truly worried about losing votes to a third party, they could adopt policies that actually reflect the values of those voters instead of just expecting us to fall in line.
My vote isn’t driven by fear; it's driven by the need for real change, not the same old promises. If Harris loses by such a slim margin, it’s not the fault of third-party voters—it’s the Democrats’ failure to address the issues that matter to us.
The time for Dems to worry was way back when voters had the opportunity to do so strategically and completely avoid the calamity. Now, they are too busy trying to filibuster and otherwise block all the far-right and autocratic BS Trump and the Reps attempt to ram through congress. That and whether they should buy a time-share in the Bahamas.
The only thing that matters to you and your bunk-mates now is consuming enough calories to stay alive. Well, that and the H3Z2 virus that's rampaging through the squalor of your pens. You've even stopped caring about Palestine as you spend your nights praying for a vaccine. Instead, Trump issues bleach and syringes, or a horse diuretic (your choice) to test as potential cures.
IF ONLY there was a way these poor prisoners could have voted strategically to avoid all this completely unnecessary suffering only they (and the Palestinians) are experiencing.
Nothing you are saying scares me or makes me want to change my vote.
I, and many others, won't be voting for your candidate. Accept it.
What a coincidence. That's exactly what they put on the tombstone of the mass grave just outside the compound. Nobody ever puts flowers on it though.
If only this tragedy could have been avoided by somehow strategically voting to keep Trump out of office.
If only Democrats wouldn't have been such jerks to people who didn't believe in everything they did. Oh well.
Thanks for proving this is about retribution and not ideals. Pleased to meet the real you for once.