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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 15 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

It's clunky and the novelty wears off quickly

Referring to all Nintendo games.

[–] leekleak@lemmy.world 55 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Dunno man, it is possible to accept they make good games while still condemning their corporate bs...

[–] Grangle1@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

Basically my stance. Do I like all the anti-competitive crap they pull? Absolutely not. But they do still make and/or publish most of my favorite franchises. This isn't like, say, Microsoft or Google who bake their evil directly into their products.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 29 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, games like Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart, Luigi's Mansion, etc. are fun as hell and very polished. I can't think of a single first-party Nintendo game that's released riddled with bugs in recent memory, whereas the rest of the industry can't say the same, excepting Sony's first-party games.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I can’t think of a single first-party Nintendo game that’s released riddled with bugs in recent memory

Literally Pokémon. SwSh, SV and BDSP are all a bug-ridden mess. You will probably find more bugs playing SV for an hour than in all gen 3-6 games together.

Although yeah, it’s a (huge) anomaly and the rest of the first-party games are extremely polished. It just sucks to be a Pokémon fan in the 2020s.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (1 children)

I don't think Pokemon is first-party since that IP and the dev studios fall under The Pokemon Company, whereas games like Mario and Zelda are developed by studios within Nintendo itself. I could be wrong.

Edit: I just looked it up, and yep, Nintendo only owns 33% of The Pokemon Company.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 0 points 1 hour ago

If they ain't first party, they're certainly close enough that you couldn't tell the difference.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago

They make some good games. They also sling out a bunch of crap and repeatedly rerelease games at full price.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

But.... they don't. Their games are old the minute they're released. Sure they have enough bare minimum charm to wow the masses, but when you truly take a skeptical and honest eye to them compared to many other games, you realize how lazy they are with the copy/paste approach most of the time, inability to add basic common niceties of modern gaming, and generally lacking worlds that feel unfinished.

If it weren't for the IP name recognition, most of their games would be panned as meh.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

I maintain a stance that the only reason they're still around is because of brand recognition. Literally the only reason I could think of anyone liking their slop.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world -3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It’s possible to acknowledge that yes but no they don’t make good games, just half-assed rehashed entries in the same 4 tired series they’ve been pumping games out of for decades

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Hard disagree. I really enjoy a lot of Nintendo's games, and will be buying Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom right around release. Some favorites:

  • Smash Brothers
  • Mario Kart
  • Zelda - didn't like BotW and didn't get TotK, but I loved the Switch ports of Skyward Sword and Link's Awakening
  • Kirby
  • Mario Party
  • Super Mario 3D World
  • Xenoblade Chronicles

My kids like Pokemon and my SO like Ring Fit, but I think that series is pretty boring. And here are some I haven't played, but probably will:

  • Astral Chain
  • Switch Sports
  • Luigi's Mansion
  • Paper Mario
  • Metroid
  • Pikmin

That said, I very much don't like Nintendo as a company, especially its opposition to emulation. But I do like their first party titles, and they're very polished at launch, unlike many other big studios.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I was gonna say, Gen IX Pokémon looks like some of the clunkiest, most repetitive shit imaginable.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

God, I wish Nintendo made the Pokemon games, because then they might actually not be ugly, terribly optimized garbage. Nintendo owns a minority share of The Pokemon Company, which is also owned by Game Freak and a company called Creatures. Each company takes care of different aspects of the franchise. Game Freak still does all the game development, and I wish they wouldn’t because they obviously don’t care about the franchise anymore and haven’t for quite a while.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The fact they put ILCA on BDSP (and how abysmally that turned out) was the nail in the coffin for me for trusting Pokémon games to be of any quality. SwSh was close, but that told me The Pokémon Company will pump out literally any dogshit they want and people will still buy it.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)
[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Developers put in charge of BDSP. Before Pokémon, their work was all extremely minor support for much bigger studios. So for example, if you're a big AAA studio and you want to save on precious development time, you might contract out a dozen studios to do busywork, and one of those studios might be ILCA. For example, two people from ILCA are credited in Yakuza 0, but this is as "Casting Cooperation". Their most major game they'd actually worked on themselves before this was Pokémon Home.

So essentially, you're taking a small company where 95% of their existing work is as a supporting role to do relatively easy work for other major studios, and the other 5% is Pokémon Home, and you're telling them "Okay, now remake Diamond and Pearl."

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Cool. So what is the acronym ILCA?

I feel like there needs to be a bot to generate random sets of words from unexplained acronyms. I'm pretty sure the Google result for ILCA is not in the gaming industry.

Edit: 'ILCA' is the full name it looks like, recommend adding 'studio' or 'games' to that search tho, unless you're looking for the International Lactation Consultant Association. Stands for "I love computer art".

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

It’s the studio Nintendo chose as lead developer for BDSP.