$200M before the Sony acquisition and $200M after. It's a little hard to believe. The story seems to only be coming from Colin Moriarty right now, but I trust Jordan Middler to consider it at least reasonably plausible if he wrote it up for VGC.

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[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you were in such a role that you could correct anything in the story, I'd encourage you to reach out to a journalist and do so.

[–] chryan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Unless someone from Sony AND ProbablyMonsters confirms the real numbers, I would have nothing concrete to add to the validity of the claims, other than I think it's bullshit.

But even if I did have this bulletproof info, why would I do what you suggest? So that games journalism can continue to beat a dead horse?

News like this doesn't do the industry and the people who work in it any favors other than to serve the masturbatory curiosity of people who claim "I can't believe they spent this much on a game that was clearly going to fail!"

All this kind of reporting does is continue to pull money away from investors who are willing to take chances on new teams making new games (regardless of how derivative they might seem), and cause anguish for the passionate developers who poured their lives into what they believed would have succeeded.

The games industry is in absolute shambles now thanks to years of psychopathic ravaging from large corporations with milking profits, studio shutdowns and layoffs.

Contributing to unconstructive reporting will only worsen it, and I would instead encourage you to ignore news like this.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

why would I do what you suggest? So that games journalism can continue to beat a dead horse?

Because the truth is worth knowing, and it sucks that this stuff is obfuscated the way it is compared to something like the movie industry. If true, I'd call it constructive reporting if the message becomes clear that this is an example of what's ravaging the industry; trend chasing with absurd amounts of money designed to extract some mythical amount of money from people rather than building good products on sane budgets that keep people employed. But the point is moot if you not only don't agree but also aren't in a position to refute it.

[–] chryan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because the truth is worth knowing

This is the defacto argument that gets pulled into reporting, good or bad.

What is the in the point in the truth in this article's reporting? What about this story told you anything, or anyone, about what's ravaging the industry? What message does a supposed $400 million cost tell you other than Concord failed? Do you think 160 developers worked on this project over 8 years with the intent to 'chase the trend'? Do you think they spent 8 years of their lives building a bad product they didn't believe in? Or was Sony and the entire leadership team able to fool all 160 people that they were building something special when all they really wanted was a trend chaser?

If this article has enlightened you in a way that has somehow eluded me, I would very much like to learn what you've gleaned.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The average person has absolutely no idea how much it costs to make a game, so any report that comes out for any game is enlightening. When Skullgirls developers tell people that it'll cost $150k to make a single new character, and when other fighting game developers weighed in and said, "actually, that's insanely cheap," it level sets expectations for what a customer can actually expect out of a producer. The largest productions of their day during the era of the original Xbox and PS2 didn't even typically come in at $50M per game. There are a lot of reasons why it can't be exactly that anymore, but ballooning budgets are why the industry is in this spot where it's wholly unsustainable, because if you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars and you didn't make one of the most successful games in the history of the medium, it won't be making its money back.

Iterating on a trend is smart business. Iterating on a trend over the course of 6 to 8 years is not, not only because it makes the game more expensive to make and raises the floor for success, but also because the audience for that trend has likely moved on. If Concord truly cost $400M to make, it adds one more data point for people to understand how much a game can cost, and maybe, just maybe, it will make more companies focus on building a game that they know they can afford to make rather than being all or nothing on one of the riskiest projects in history. That will keep people employed rather than rapid expansion from investment into a bubble and hundreds of layoffs when the project goes south.

[–] chryan@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

When Skullgirls developers tell people that it'll cost $150k to make a single new character, and when other fighting game developers weighed in and said, "actually, that's insanely cheap," it level sets expectations for what a customer can actually expect out of a producer.

You're just grasping at straws here.

The average consumer doesn't give a damn about how much a game costs to make, nor do they care about the cost to make content. Do you think people judge their experiences based on the cost it took to make said thing?

There are a lot of reasons why it can't be exactly that anymore, but ballooning budgets are why the industry is in this spot where it's wholly unsustainable

Grasping at straws again, but let's entertain this for a moment. Did this article about the cost to make Concord teach you anything about the reasons why games cost so much to make?

Iterating on a trend over the course of 6 to 8 years is not, not only because it makes the game more expensive to make and raises the floor for success, but also because the audience for that trend has likely moved on.

What raises the floor of success is the growing expectations that gamers have of their games and the complexity of making them, not everyone trying to one-up each other on how much it costs to make them. Do you think publishers and studios think "oh shit, Sony spent $400mil, we should spend MORE!"?

maybe, just maybe, it will make more companies focus on building a game that they know they can afford to make

That will keep people employed rather than rapid expansion from investment into a bubble and hundreds of layoffs when the project goes south.

Was this the line of thought that Microsoft had when they shut down Tango Gameworks for producing the cult hit Hi-Fi Rush?

How do you think an article like this can somehow change the minds of executives making the decision to overhire and lay people off?

My point is the same as I stated before: putting out unsubstantiated articles like these does absolutely nothing good for the industry. The only purpose it serves is ad-revenue for the tabloid, and potentially pulling more money out of the industry.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't think I have anything new to add to answer your questions that I haven't already said, so I think we can agree to disagree.