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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You'd still have to work for your living in said scenario.

Nobody is gonna bring you chicken tendies three times a day in your hidden cottage.

Uncontacted hunter gathered tribes work, it's right there in the description. Not 40 hours a week, sure, but you can live a much simpler lifestyle in the wilderness on a similar work ethic.

Labor is an intrinsic requirement of human life.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Working for your own reasons is fundamentally different than laboring and having part of what you produce taken from you by an employer

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You can work for your own reasons right now. But you don't have the right to just grab any piece of land and confiscate it for your own use. There are too many of us for that.

[–] ATQ@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you don't have the right to just grab any piece of land and confiscate it for your own use

Maybe not just any piece of land, but there are enormous swaths of empty land in this world that OP can fuck off to, if they’re that determined to not be a member of a society. Of course, they’re not interested in that because pioneering is to much work. 🙄

[–] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s the kind of work that makes you feel fulfilled and accomplished though. I bet OP would be better off mentally in 2 years if he fucked off to alaska and built himself a cabin. Hell, I bet I would too.

This corporate wage slavery is so fucking detrimental to my well-being. I want to solve challenges and make decisions of consequence. I want to have agency in my life.

[–] ATQ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I bet OP would be better off mentally in 2 years if he fucked off to alaska and built himself a cabin. Hell, I bet I would too.

Go ahead then. What’s stopping you?

[–] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I’m already too dead inside to muster up the energy

[–] norbert@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Land is expensive and you still have to pay taxes on it.

There are co-op/commune options but that's probably not what OP is looking for either. Unfortunately or not "no man is an island" really is true and we're all inherently interconnected. We all share the same resources and space, and should all have input into how those resources and spaces are used.

TBH if someone wants to go out into the wilderness and survive with little/no creature comforts I think that should be perfectly fine and they should be allowed space to do that; I also think healthcare and some sort of UBI/food allowance should exist so that a person won't starve or die of an easily prevented disease, or to make sure the person really wants to go be alone and isn't just experiencing an untreated illness.

By all means if you want a Corvette or that lifted F150 you should have to work for it but if you're happy eating squirrel and beans and reading books from the public library? You should be allowed to do that.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I hate the corporate grind too. So I only work for businesses small enough that I'm on a first name basis with the owner.

It's all very romantic living in a cabin in the wilderniss but there's a reason no one that has a choice lives that way.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

But then you're gonna have to pay taxes to fund the military industry regardless. But at least you get more than the crumbs of your work

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thats why we should adhere to the principles of public ownership of land. Which used to be the case dating back to prehistoric mines shared between different factions and groups.

Examples of this are all over in the past and some rural communities but all because some powerful duts decided that human kind is inherently selfish and everyone would automatically overuse the land breaking the system. The example given is a farmer who increasingly claims a bigger part of a field to get a bigger flock of sheep or orchards.

All of it completely ignores that companies sucking the planets resources dry to the bone for profit while a farmer in a rural community has no need to increase flock if not to make profit. Proper use of public land is in the interest of everyone.

[–] scv@discuss.online 3 points 2 years ago

What was invented was unemployment and underemployment, both of which are unnecessary.

[–] MrBusinessMan@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Wrong, people do bring me whatever sort of food I ask for, and I don’t have to work for it. That’s because I’m a successful landlord and business owner, so maybe you should stop complaining about having to work and just become successful like me and then you will realize the truth, nobody has to work if they don’t want to. Just be a success and you can enjoy a life of leisure.