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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

... anything well-documented ...

There would be a lot more well-documented ancient things if racists hadn't actively destroyed ancient documents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu for example.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Okay, but that's not on the ancient aliens people. According to your Wikipedia page, it wasn't ancient alien theorists trying to prove bullshit that destroyed them, that was done by Christian nutjobs hundreds of years before anyone came up with the idea of ancient aliens.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

He didn’t say ‘ancient alien theorists’, he said ‘racists’.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know that a Quipu is a good example because we don't actually know how they worked or how well they documented things. The burning of Mayan and other Mesoamerican books would be better examples.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those are also good examples - but Europeans most definitely sought to destroy any quipu they found.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, I'm just saying that we don't know if they would be something readable or if they were more like a mnemonic device.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

There's been some very minimal translation of the few that remain, having to do with numbers and counting. They most definitely contain information. They mean something.

This is also making me think - these words that I am typing now, are they not also mnemonic devices? The written words are not the spoken words, and neither of those are the concepts that we understand the words and phrases to represent. Words are only models of ideas, and models are by definition not as accurate as what they intend to model. Who are we to say that a series of marks on a clay tablet, or paper, or a computer screen are more accurate models of ideas than intricate series of knots in strings?