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https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/china-smartphone-share/
Huawei Market share in China increased 50% this year compared to last.
The Dr Dre of cameras. cheap hardware with a shitload of filtering to make it ~~sound~~ look good.
No doubt 10 years ago Huawei was clearly THEE leader in design. They had both amazing build quality and design. Heralded for beating Apple at the game, and putting others to shame.
Beyond that, the friggin 10 year old phone my wife has still takes amazing pictures. Huawei was very strong in innovation that actually worked, which is also why they so quickly became #1 in the world.
Even today after they've been handicapped in sales which limit development budgets they are still strong in the design department.
https://carisinyal.com/en/the-slimmest-smartphone/
These are examples of Huawei still stretching what's possible in the physical aspect of making phones thinner. Just like they beat Apple in that game more than a decade ago, while maintaining a build quality that was as premium as Apple.
The triple fold phone the OP is about, is a world first, not something that interest me personally, but still a design win over competitors.
How they look is of course subjective,
other companies made triple fold phones before Huawei, you mean that they brought it to the mass market first?
like 3,000 bucks or something right?
It's difficult to call that innovation when we already have foldable phones, and they haven't found a new way to do anything, they just added one more standard screen.
It's as thick as three phones put together.
It's good for them that they went up 50% in China, but it's been literally federally subsidized since its inception, so a bump not crazy, and they went from 20 to 30% only in cihinq, still 3% total market share.
it sounds like you have nostalgia for Huawei, which i get, I still have nostalgia for my HTC one, that was the best phone/os I ever had, and definitely the most innovative phone company I used, 468 ppi, still higher than almost every other phone 10 years later, aluminum body, with front-facing speakers and an IR blaster, expandable storage, but they've gone the way of apple and Huawei and Google and the rest of them in modern times
"10 years ago Huawei was clearly THEE leader in design"
this is when I used Huawei, and my memories of it are pretty bad. plastic frame, identical iphone hardware setup, pretty low power even for the time, pretty low battery, I don't remember them leading anything.
I remember the pictures being standard, but I don't remember anything remarkable or innovative about them.
can you post photos from your wife's phone versus your modern phone?
It's not the idea that's innovation, it's developing the technology that folds both ways seamlessly and is durable.
Just because an idea is easy to get, doesn't mean it's easy to make. Ideas are easy, it's making them work that is hard.
And I'm not aware of a phone that existed previously that could do this and fold out to a single 10 inch screen.
Even if it already existed, this is apparently the first good one.
Obviously my 4 times as expensive 9 year newer phone is superior. Especially in low light conditions.
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_nexus_6p-7588.php
This was clearly the most innovative Android phone at the time.
It was... minus the battery failures after a year or so of use. The 6P was supposed to be their foot in the NA market, and they fucked it. Mine failed, family members' failed, friends failed. The LG was no better for that year, something about a mobo shorting after X amount of time with the 5X. Again, family members' had them, failed.
Never heard about that, here (EU) it would be under warranty though.
Stateside you get a 1y warranty from G, this hasn't changed since they started the nexus (pixel) program. So when mine shit the bed, I was sol.
That sucks, but if it's systemic, they can't legally deny responsibility even in USA AFAIK, as it's clearly not a fault due to wear.
That's also the reason Intel is extending warranty with their CPUs that have the crashing issues. If they didn't they'd be facing a class action suit.
isn't nexus a Google phone?
it has slightly upgraded specs from the HTC one, but the One came out 2 years previous, with truly innovative features like front-facing speakers so that you could hear the audio clearly and an IR blaster, plus it had self-diagnostics so that you could test a second hand phone before you bought it or troubleshoot yours very easily with the series of diagnostic tasks.
what's the innovative part of the 6p?
ooh, I do like that the Nexus adopted the front-facing speakers and aluminum body from HTC One, that was a smart move.
not innovative 2 years later after those features were developed, but definitely a smart move by a hopeful company.
a slightly weaker battery, but 2 years after the HTC One, I would have been interested in the 6P as the logical next step; add 1 GB of RAM, add the new bands, slightly higher ppi.
I was disappointed when the M8 went backward with PPI, HTC one had 468 in 2013, new huawei phones in 2024 have 402 ppi.
that's rough stuff, all the companies are doing it too, skimping out on screens in favor of shitty proprietary software.
WHAT? It's a Huawei phone adopted by Google, and marketed and sold by google with Googles update plan for Android.
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_nexus_6p-review-1355.php
This phone was widely praised for innovation, the build quality and camera quality, the rear fingerprint sensor, and just all around being amazing. I'm shocked you don't even remember...?
Literally from the article:
I haven't seen one, and three separate screens don't count, because that's apples and oranges.
I saw the headlines, but there were definitely trifled phones before Huawei released theirs.
I'll check though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiHK07J7Bxk&t=33
first result is the Tecno trifold, and he's talking about the Samsung trifold Z, which of course, it's just one more screen, The natural evolution of folding phones to get to the tablet size.
I don't think innovation is the word here.
innovation is a new idea resulting in some sort of paradigm shift or surprising development, not the logical progression of a known process like a foldable phone.
let me control my TVs and other devices with an IR blaster again please.
that was innovative.
I'm glad Huawei is forcing other companies to develop better tri-fold phones so that eventually we have viable phone tablets.
He says "It's gonna be..." these products do not exist.
Doesn't exist as far as I can tell. Maybe they couldn't make it work?
https://www.techradar.com/phones/the-worlds-first-tri-folding-phone-could-finally-land-soon-and-not-from-samsung
So no even if you may have seen it, those were not actual products, but development prototypes.
That's just childish, obviously you need technological innovation to make the idea possible. It's easy to say "flying car", and that has been done for a century, the innovation is to actually make it happen.
The tri folded phone is not like previous folded phones, because the screen needs to be able to fold both ways. From THAT point it's just continuation so you can make any number of folds.
The Xiaomi 13T / 13T Pro have that.
It's more childish to pretend huawei made the first trifold phone when they may the first commercial trifold phone.
they didn't develop or innovate new technology to add one more fold.
"you need technological innovation to make the idea possible"
someone did, I hope you'll notice that Huawei is not claiming to have developed some new innovation.
which makes sense, considering there are other companies that already made trifold phones.
they added one more fold to a phone using the established and developed technology of foldable screens, and have brought it to mass market first, that's all.
there are no new features, no efficiency gains, certainly not cost effective, nothing is significantly different about this phone except that another screen and hinge has been added.
a third fold to reach true tablet size that people have been talking about and companies have been developing for years is a logical development in foldable phones and foldable screens, established technologies, not innovation.
I hope people enjoy it (for that price tag they better), and I hope it spurs development in the field.
I'm excited to see the reviews once it's been used for a few weeks.
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Making the screen fold on the outside of the fold is not the same as making it fold on the inside. Which is probably why Samsung didn't manage to beat Huawei to market.
Why won't you acknowledge when all reviews say that Huawei made the first trifold?
To have a prototype that isn't production ready is not the same. It may not even work!
"False".
you are not convincing.
you insist that using existing technology is the same thing as developing new technology, which it isn't.
were you similarly blown way when Gillette added a third blade to the safety razor?
"Why won't you acknowledge when all reviews say that Huawei made the first trifold?"
because 1. they are specifically referring to a commercial launch, not new technology(a hinge).and 2. I don't value or believe doubtful headlines without evidence.
Tecno released a demonstration of a tri-fold phone in August, it took me one second to find that video, so with almost zero I've heard, we found at least one company showing off a tri-fold phone before Huawei's commercial launch.
other companies were working on and build prototypes of trifold phones, Huawei decided to bring one to market first.
we'll see if that was a good idea after people have the chance to actually purchase it and use it.
It's good for huawei you are excited about the extra hinge, that excitement is necessary for the $3,000 price tag,
Here, this will blow your mind;
5 hinges that fold on the inside and outside:
what will they think of next?
6 hinges?
that would be a coup.