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If I pump put baseless conspiracies nonstop then statistically I'll get something sort of right at some point. It doesn't mean I was right to espouse that bullshit on the first place. Showing your work matters. If you got to a right conclusion accidentally by making shit up , it doesn't mean you were "right" or that people were we're wrong to laugh at you. There's a thing called Epistemology. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Learn about it .
So you hold your regime to the similar standard?
Can you ask a coherent question? Who is my regime? You're not being charged by the word. Be specific.
Owners of the US have fake news run propaganda that has no basis in fact. Do you hold these people as accountable the same way you are doing here with some random Neo nazis farming twattrr for cash?
Generalizing this far is not rational or productive. There are varying degrees of quality in US media with varying problems within. Zooming out this far isn't productive. Might as well go further and say "people lie, therefore nothing can be trusted". Sounds deep, but is just a futile meaningless statement. Most problems with news media stem from distortions of fact, but obviously do have some basis in fact so right off the bat your premise is faulty.
If you're asking whether I hold media accountable for lying or for bad reporting (no, they are the same. If you can tell the difference that's on you), then yes I do.
You're now far off topic. Spreading baseless conspiracy theories constantly and having some of them be sort of adjacent to the truth isn't a vindication. It doesnt mean you were right to say what you said.
Must be nice believe this lol
You guys always prove to be completely incapable of rational thought. It's why the article triggered you so much.
i explained my position. you offered nothing to rebut tbh
You explained nothing. I clearly answered your one trivial question and you have no follow up lol.
If you think this, you don't understand the media and the role it plays within the regime.
...? Was there any argument in there somewhere? It's barely an assertion. As expected, even on an anonymous forum without any consequences you're still unable to actually assert a rational position and back it up lol. Do you think maybe that's because you're full of shit?
Topic brought up bad faith actor spreading bad info
I posited that entire media eco system behaves this way but we society turn a blind eye
We had an exchange on what I meant by this, with you highlighting that "media" is varying and explaining away how media behavior is not the same. Essentially creating dichotomy "media is ok" but these rando's are the enemy. You did not provide facts to turn my opinion though. My position is that you are still working within the standard politics framework... muhh team good/right, other team bad. I fundamentally disagree with this approach. I can't change your mind and that's fine. I think readers had a decent exchange to read.
you proceed to engage with a bit of charge which cool by me... but i would want he key issue addressed. Why does main stream media gets a pass for this from avg person?
I would posit that the media and idiots on twitter are prolly funded by the same bad faith actors, well a soup of them from different sides. But what they are not funded by is avg people.
Ridiculous assertion. All it takes is a single person not acting in bad faith to disprove , which is the problem with absolute statements. You can be 99 percent right (you're not) and still be wrong. Can you prove that literally 100 percent of news media is acting in bad faith? If so, why all this bullshit? Just lead with the proof.
Prove it. You're asserting bad faith on the part of thousands of people (which implies knowledge of literally everyone's intent. Are you god? Lol) without evidence.
Using the vocabulary of logic doesn't mean you're actually doing logic dude. My statement does not in any way create a "dichotomy". It could right, it could be wrong, or anywhere in between. Nothing said implies "media is ok". Nothing you said implied they're wrong. Using the vocabulary of logic doesn't mean you're thinking logically. Try harder.
Nothing I said implied that. You literally just imagined it, like you did the "dichotomy".
Of course you can. You make a logical argument, backed by evidence. Why is that so hard? You haven't even tried.
This is not the question you originally asked, and assumes several assertions that you haven't backed up with anything let alone proven. It's also such a vague question that an answer is impossible. You have assumed that your read on "the media" as a whole is right (apparently 100 percent of them are acting in bad faith? Lol), that somehow people know this (proof?) and give them a pass( what does that mean? People complain about the media all the time).
I would posit that you're dazzled by the true complexity of the world and so you simplify and imagine things in order to fit it into your head and make it make sense. "The media " is not funded by one person or the same people. This is trivially probable.
Who are these average people? Aren't they the ones giving media a pass for all acting in bad faith?
Study epistemology dude. The questions you're asking aren't all bad. But you literally don't know how to think. You just simplify until things make sense to you. That's not how you find truth. The question of "how do I know what I think is true is actually true" is an extremely important one. Smart people have been asking it for thousands of years. Try learning from literally any of them. Epistemology is important.