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Small talk is an essential skill (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 month ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

The meaning of free will is exactly what people are discussing when they talk about whether or not it exists. What does and what doesn't count as free will is what's up for discussion.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I think free will as a concept is kinda stupid I've yet to talk to anyone who can actually give it a solid definition that isn't something like "it means we can do what we want"

Either your decision is based on your personality, meaning it's not free it's a set calculation based on genetics and accumulated experience or it's completely random meaning it's not will at all

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Free will as a philosophical concept has less to do with "I can do what I want" and more to do with "I have control over my actions/thoughts." This gets into all sorts of interesting corners, such as:

if God exists and is all-knowing, can God know what you're about to do? If God does, is it really your choice, or just something God planned long ago?
if God doesn't exist, then we're all products of everything that came before. Assuming that's the case, a sufficiently powerful computer with a sufficiently large amount of data could determine what you're about to do. If that's the case, is it really your choice, or are you just a really complex automaton where the inputs (your life experiences and current situation) exactly determine your actions?
in either of the above cases, if you're unaware that another observer knows what you'll do, do you retain free will? Does free will disappear the moment you learn of this observer? Can knowing about the observer change your actions in an unpredictable way, or can actions always be predicted?

And so on. There are some interesting discussions there at the edges, like at what point AI gains free will. That can have very real moral implications (i.e. when does AI get personhood?), so it's not just idle chat.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Oh for sure it's a good thing to talk about, that's just my viewpoint on it

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