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When did Harris alienate anybody? Netanyahu is engaged in a genocide. Several generations of American leaders have enabled Israel to do all sorts of similar things, since the days when Kamala Harris was a literal child. Biden decided to not break with Netanyahu. I don't see Harris's fingerprints anywhere on Gaza.
I'm not trying to give her a free pass for anything she's said, or if she does continue enabling the slaughter once she's in office, which to all indications, she might well do. By all means, protest against her Gaza policy, give her and any other politicians a hard time. Do whatever. God knows the Palestinians need it. I'm just saying that voting in the election in any way that risks Trump getting into office is about the most stupid and backwards way imaginable to try to influence her to have a better Gaza policy. It is disciplining your child by shooting them with a handgun, all of a sudden, and then saying they should have known better. It is an irreversible and horrifying solution which doesn't do anything to improve the problem it is attempting to improve.
Everyone can do what they want to do, including your friends, and including you. I'm just saying that in my opinion, your friends are making a grave mistake, and explaining why, and I don't really agree with feeding into their "vote with the heart" tactics.
If someone gets in a car accident with spinal damage, and his mom runs over and grabs his and carries him and tries to look after him, he still might get paralyzed because she shouldn't have moved him until the ambulance got there. She's acting with her heart. It's understandable. It's a human thing. But she might cause horrifying damage. Your friends are doing the same.
We're not just not breaking with them. We're arming the genocide and putting boots on the ground to protect them from anyone trying to defend themselves from Israel. We've given nearly $20 billion dollars to Israel. She's also the Vice-President and has tried to associate herself with everything the current administration is doing. When given the chance to put on a Palestine-American speaker at the DNC, they didn't allow it, but did allow Israeli-American speakers. Then she proclaimed they had the most lethal army in the world and would always defend Israel. She has said she wouldn't do anything different from what Biden is doing. She said Iran is the number one enemy, who is trying to stop Israel and defend themselves from them, instead of let's say, Russia. She said she supports a ceasefire, but also said an arms embargo was off the table, which puts her and Biden to the right of Reagan, and is basically the only things Arab-Americans and groups like Jewish Voices for Peace are asking for, as Netanyahu will not do a ceasefire unless forced to by something like an embargo. Those are the kinds of people that I mean she's alienated.
Ignoring these voices like Democrats are doing doesn't mean they don't exist. You have to put yourself in the mindset of someone who's family member was just burned alive in a hospital Israel bombed by a weapon sold to them by Biden with the new candidate not saying they're changing tact at all. If someone shot your child, then told you have to vote for them because the other guy would've been shot your child twice, you're not going to give them your endorsement. You're going to say fuck you for trying to make me support the genocide of my own family, neither of you are helping me, screw it, if you want my vote you know how to get it. Hell, you might try to kill them. These are humans we're talking about here, giving, feeling beings, not robots. I'm afraid bullying, downplaying genocide, and trying to say Trump is worse isn't working, and the razor thing margins show it's not.
A vote swapping thread, site, or community isn't much, but idk, it's something.
And once again, my friends aren't voting third party, hell they're all Harris stans who care less about the genocide than I do, but I'm just saying they're worried about losing swing states because they're all politics-heads who watch the polls and saw her leads narrowing, and I thought of this idea in a discussion with them. Basically create some sort of vote swapping community online. There doesn't seem to be a lot of support. Maybe people would rather just give up, or argue with people online then come together to find a compromise 😩
Like I said, if you want to give Kamala Harris a hard time for not breaking with:
Or:
When her current sin is basically:
... you have my blessing for it. Putting pressure on her to break away from the DNC, Biden, every Republican, and everyone else in Washington that's in love with the idea of killing Palestinians sounds like a good idea. I'm just saying that singling her out as the villain, and not voting for her in the election as the solution to that villainy, I don't think it going to be the success that you would expect it to be.