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I'm going to buy my first new TV in years. Even if it's a 'smart' tv we plan to just use our Roku. I've heard that some TVs require you to connect it to the internet before you can even use a Roku device. For privacy reasons I don't want my TV to EVER have access to my wifi. Is anyone aware of how to know what models/brands of TVs allow me to use it without ever connecting the TV itself to wifi?

If necessary I guess I could connect it to my guest network to 'activate' the TV, set up the Roku to connect to my private network, then change the password to the guest network.

Would rather just have a TV that doesn't even 'phone home' once.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 39 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

What the hell sort of TV are you looking at that requires an online connection to use it as a simple display device?

That’s a serious question. I want to avoid whatever brand you’re talking about like the plague.

[–] neinhorn@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Some food for thought. Vizio made more money selling ads and the data from their customers than selling the actual TVs.

With TVs you are paying to be the product.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/10/22773073/vizio-acr-advertising-inscape-data-privacy-q3-2021

Walmart is in the process of acquiring Vizio for the express purpose of using TV's to serve advertisements.

[–] trustnoone@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 4 weeks ago

Unfortunately i think its becoming more a thing, so you have to be careful of future updates as some companies are realising they can put ads on your menu screen now

[–] computergeek125@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sadly the so-called "smart TV" is becoming the norm. Companies add unnecessary crap to TVs that's often as slow as your car's factory infotainment system, and when they feel like not upgrading the software anymore for security issues in a few years, it's a permanent security hazard until you disconnect it from the network.

I have a Vizio TV from several years ago with Yahoo branded smart functions (that should date it) that I need to factory reset because I can't find the WiFi password erase.

[–] ownsauce@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

Not answering your question, but avoid Roku like the plague

Roku's Ransom: Agree to Forced Arbitration or Lose Your TV!

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Most brands make it seem impossible to setup without connecting. I got a free TCL/Roku and it was such a massive headache to avoid connecting that I connected it. I just skip the ARC HDMI and pretend it's just as good since I don't use the built in apps. ARC ports read your content to "better serve you content" (ads)

[–] LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 13 points 4 weeks ago

Roku is horrible. I bought a Roku Soundbar (speakers) for my TV and for reasons unknown, I had to (temporarily) hook it up to the internet to "activate" and download the firmware.

It's such a horrible glimpse of the consumers future.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought LG and Sony and a few of the other big players still had the self respect to sell TVs that can just be.. you know… TVs

[–] CucumberFetish@lemm.ee 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

LG C series OLEDs are a pain. If you connect them to wifi, they'll give you Apple TV and other "promotions" as pop up notifications at random times.

These TVs also have Bluetooth which cannot be turned off and any device can try to connect to it, giving you a non intrusive pop up of 20% of your screen area.

And their customer support is absolute garbage. In my area, you'll have to call them a few times before anyone picks up, then there is a 50% chance that the clerk doesn't speak English nor your local language. Sometimes you'll give up on calling them, as no one responds. You'll be happy to know that they will call you back in about a month.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

You can fix the always-on BT wirh a screwdriver, can’t you?

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope most of these have discrete hardware, but i won't disregard SoCs...

[–] CucumberFetish@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Or BT controller soldered onto mobo

[–] CucumberFetish@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

I mounted it on a wall before I found it out. Neighbors haven't bothered to connect to it once, so I haven't risked accidentally breaking it during dismount. It is scary enough to adjust it on it's mount, considering that most of it is a thin and fragile oled panel.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

These TVs also have Bluetooth

It's really nifty to wardrive those and play Tool at max.

[–] CucumberFetish@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Luckily it doesn't auto connect, otherwise I would have sent it back

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

All of them, katie